Not in Crawley Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 5 hours ago, BobyBrno said: 😊 Keep biting. He’s laughing more than you. We all enjoy the entertainment.😉 I very much doubt that Quote
Not in Crawley Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 4 hours ago, BobyBrno said: This is Wanderersways. It’s not Question Time. Keep biting.👍 Old man jokes. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Ageist. Anyway, who is a tree hugger? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, gonzo said: https://news.sky.com/story/migrant-crossings-highest-number-of-people-make-dangerous-channel-journey-in-a-single-day-so-far-this-year-12917291 Taking back control. Freedom of movement across Europe has a lot to answer for the continent is riddled with economic migrants, it’s no wonder numbers are up travelling to the UK the Dutch government has collapsed because it can’t agree on the numbers of immigrants and how and who to reject, it is a complete shitshow, the EU have a lot to answer for and have encouraged folk to try there luck the numbers are ever increasing and still they fail to reverse one of the most stupid policies ever thought up. Reinstate proper borders and that might help at least reduce it. That’s the real message we should take from that article… sadly some folk can’t see wood from the trees.. Brexit issue my arse…. Brexit and tighter border controls is the solution. Stick your freedom of movement where the sun don’t shine. Edited July 9, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Farrelli Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66126185 Getting brexit done. Well apart from all the renegotiating required to keep businesses afloat in the UK. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, Farrelli said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66126185 Getting brexit done. Well apart from all the renegotiating required to keep businesses afloat in the UK. Very old news… the EU has the same issue, it’s quite easy to solve, and even the EU will solve it. Quote
tomski Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Freedom of movement across Europe has a lot to answer for the continent is riddled with economic migrants, it’s no wonder numbers are up travelling to the UK the Dutch government has collapsed because it can’t agree on the numbers of immigrants and how and who to reject, it is a complete shitshow, the EU have a lot to answer for and have encouraged folk to try there luck the numbers are ever increasing and still they fail to reverse one of the most stupid policies ever thought up. Reinstate proper borders and that might help at least reduce it. That’s the real message we should take from that article… sadly some folk can’t see wood from the trees.. Brexit issue my arse…. Brexit and tighter border controls is the solution. Stick your freedom of movement where the sun don’t shine. Surely we should criticise our government more who have had control for years and years. The freedom of movement statement. Wow. I’m not sure you believe that? Its a strange time when people want to make something that was easy a lot harder. Really bizarre times Quote
gonzo Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 51 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Freedom of movement across Europe has a lot to answer for the continent is riddled with economic migrants, it’s no wonder numbers are up travelling to the UK the Dutch government has collapsed because it can’t agree on the numbers of immigrants and how and who to reject, it is a complete shitshow, the EU have a lot to answer for and have encouraged folk to try there luck the numbers are ever increasing and still they fail to reverse one of the most stupid policies ever thought up. Reinstate proper borders and that might help at least reduce it. That’s the real message we should take from that article… sadly some folk can’t see wood from the trees.. Brexit issue my arse…. Brexit and tighter border controls is the solution. Stick your freedom of movement where the sun don’t shine. Brexit was always migration driven. Brexit was meant to help us control our own borders. Hows it all working out? Quote
Farrelli Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Very old news… the EU has the same issue, it’s quite easy to solve, and even the EU will solve it. It might be old news but there is no solution yet to the rules of origin law which will be in place next year. 70% of this companies vans are sold in mainland Europe so without an agreement with the EU they are finished. #brexit benefits Quote
Sweep Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, tomski said: Surely we should criticise our government more who have had control for years and years. The freedom of movement statement. Wow. I’m not sure you believe that? Its a strange time when people want to make something that was easy a lot harder. Really bizarre times He'll have a fit when "freedom of movement" is brought back, because it will be within the next five years Quote
Not in Crawley Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 A few people on this thread really should listen to this before posting anymore nonsense https://open.spotify.com/episode/7rkds5RviyEJxfYLJu3aqL?si=3Ha336vtSPuCthghHGnhwQ Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: It might be old news but there is no solution yet to the rules of origin law which will be in place next year. 70% of this companies vans are sold in mainland Europe so without an agreement with the EU they are finished. #brexit benefits I’ll have you a little bet it will be solved with little fuss when it needs to be. That’ll be another argument from remainers consigned to the bin…. Next. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Sweep said: He'll have a fit when "freedom of movement" is brought back, because it will be within the next five years Brought back where? UK? any party put that in their manifesto are committing political suicide. Any how explain who, how and for what reason it’ll be brought back? Edited July 9, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Brexit was always migration driven. Brexit was meant to help us control our own borders. Hows it all working out? A lot better than it is for the rest of the EU. See Netherlands government collapsing as a benchmark. Edited July 9, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Sweep Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: Brought back where? UK… any party put that in their manifesto are committing political suicide. Any how explain who, how and for what reason it’ll be brought back? I suspect it'll be brought back slowly. Firstly, via Horizon Europe, with participants of that being given the right of freedom of movement. Next, they'll hugely relax the laws for seasonal workers, and allow then to come just by filling a "visa on arrival" type form. Next, a softening on the Erasmus programme, which will allow students freedom to move about a bit. It'll take a few years, but I do honestly think we'll slowly creep it back in. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I just think it'll happen Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, tomski said: Surely we should criticise our government more who have had control for years and years. The freedom of movement statement. Wow. I’m not sure you believe that? Its a strange time when people want to make something that was easy a lot harder. Really bizarre times Your second point I wholeheartedly believe it… as for your 3rd point, EU have created the issue, massive reason that we voted leave, you can’t stay part of a union that creates the problem even though the EU Dublin agreement allows a few to be shipped back. Edited July 9, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sweep said: I suspect it'll be brought back slowly. Firstly, via Horizon Europe, with participants of that being given the right of freedom of movement. Next, they'll hugely relax the laws for seasonal workers, and allow then to come just by filling a "visa on arrival" type form. Next, a softening on the Erasmus programme, which will allow students freedom to move about a bit. It'll take a few years, but I do honestly think we'll slowly creep it back in. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I just think it'll happen None of those are unfettered freedom of movement, I’ll hang my hat that unfettered freedom of movement will never happen again in the UK. Quote
jayjayoghani Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Isn't FoM a consequence of being in the single market? Quote
Sweep Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: None of those are unfettered freedom of movement, I’ll hang my hat that unfettered freedom of movement will never happen again in the UK. You'd be happy enough with the above though? If they do ever relax the rules for unskilled/seasonal workers, then that's almost as good as unfettered. It of course may never happen, but I think they'll do something to make it easier for people to come here, to plug the employment gaps that we have, as its clear that or own feckless and lazy won't do it (even though it was suggested that they'd be made to pick up the slack) Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Sweep said: You'd be happy enough with the above though? If they do ever relax the rules for unskilled/seasonal workers, then that's almost as good as unfettered. It of course may never happen, but I think they'll do something to make it easier for people to come here, to plug the employment gaps that we have, as its clear that or own feckless and lazy won't do it (even though it was suggested that they'd be made to pick up the slack) Allowing seasonal workers and folk to fill job roles isn’t allowing unfettered freedom of movement… it’s clear from your answer that you don’t think it’ll happen either… just trying to stir methinks. Quote
Sweep Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Allowing seasonal workers and folk to fill job roles isn’t allowing unfettered freedom of movement… it’s clear from your answer that you don’t think it’ll happen either… just trying to stir methinks. I do think something will happen with regards to FoM and it'll be something that a lot of people won't like, although a lot of people also won't be arsed. The Europe Horizon deal comes under the jurisdiction of the ECJ....and people said we'd never be in that position ever again, but it's barely getting a mention....so we can't assume it'll not happen. Quote
Ani Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Allowing seasonal workers and folk to fill job roles isn’t allowing unfettered freedom of movement… it’s clear from your answer that you don’t think it’ll happen either… just trying to stir methinks. Why not all the asylum seekers stuck in the Govt backlog do some seasonal work ? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ani said: Why not all the asylum seekers stuck in the Govt backlog do some seasonal work ? Because until they are vetted and approved for staying they shouldn’t be allowed to, what if someone dangerous is let out to work and commits a terrorist offence, then the government would be in big trouble. Edited July 9, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Ani Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Because until they are vetted and approved for staying they shouldn’t be allowed to, what if someone dangerous is let out to work and commits a terrorist offence, then the government would be in big trouble. 'Let out to work ' they live in hotels unmonitored and/or supervised Quote
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