What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Anyone feeling the benefit of Labour yet?

Kept seeing how shite the Tories are on here so just wondering. 

Not much difference for me ... Seems the same.

 

12 hours ago, kent_white said:

I genuinely can't fathom how somebody can come to this conclusion?

They're not perfect by a long stretch - but they seem to be at least working towards a goal - as opposed to trying anything they can to cling on to power. 

Eh??!!! The goal keeps moving! Someone must be shouting "It's behind you" the number of time they have U turned!

Your rose tinted spectacles are not allowing you to see what is happening.

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

It was a stupid position to take (ruling out tax rises) especially with quite a progressive agenda. I don't think any government can really make that promise. Largely because 5 years is a long time and nobody knows what might happen in that period. 

And this is any government - not just this one. 

Stupid or dishonest? I think it's the latter.

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

Eh??!!! The goal keeps moving! Someone must be shouting "It's behind you" the number of time they have U turned!

Your rose tinted spectacles are not allowing you to see what is happening.

They've shifted more goal posts than the Tartan Army in 77 mate 

Would love to have seen them at the match in the 70's and early 80's 😂 

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'm one of the people whose job is at risk. They're not really saving anything on staff necessarily - as the work still needs to be done. It'll just be done at a hitherto yet unnamed new organisation - that could be anywhere in the country. 

It's really more of a move to bring the NHS back under the control of the government as opposed to power being deferred to the regions, than to save money. 

Whether my job is a waste of time or not, I'll let other people to decide. I work my arse off every day for patients so I don't feel like it is.

But I had 11 in my team when I joined my current organisation. I've now got 4. And they want to make us 2.5 or 2. 

A couple of years ago - we were the best in the country at what we did. Because we had the resource. Now we're not, because we don't. And in a few months time - we will probably deteriorate a further in terms of outcomes. 

The best costs money unfortunately. So it depends if you want the best or if you are happy with just good enough I suppose. 

And sacking managers is politically more palatable. Even though the majority of NHS managers became managers because they excelled in their clinical roles and had transferable skills. 

We don't have an equality tsar or anything along those lines that you hear about. Our roles are all about commissioning services (with no money) and keeping things running (with no money) primarily. 

God knows what will happen with fewer of us - but it remains to be seen I suppose. 

Incidentally - I wrote a letter of complaint to Wes Streeting outlining my concerns. Especially once I realised their had been no risk assessment which seems absolutely crazy to me. I got a very polite but ultimately meaningless letter back from one of the underlings in his office. Plenty of platitudes though - which I will add to the COVID doorstep claps I received and put on my mantelpiece if I do get the chop! 😁

Are you my Mrs in disguise 🥸 

She says exactly the same mate.

She's currently working a manager role in residential ... leaving a hospital position after covid. Still NHS but will never go back to a hospital setting.

She got a mug for working on a cpap ward through covid. Lucky her

6 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Last time I saw him ,he couldn't get an erection 

Tbf the outfit you had on did nothing for me. Worst lap dance ever ! FACT ! 

6 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Anyone feeling the benefit of Labour yet?

Kept seeing how shite the Tories are on here so just wondering. 

Not much difference for me ... Seems the same.

 

'Feeling the benefit of Labour yet'

And I thought being the numbest one of the usual coterie wasn't embarrassing enough, then you try and post nonsenstical rhetorical questions like some pound shop Question Time audience member.

 Rather than try and pretend you are even consciously aware of how daft the question you've tried to posit here is I'd kindly suggest you'd best stick to liking posts from your more kindly mob.

Fuck me, 'seems the same..' he's like a walking bot for the lowest common denominator of the electorate.

13 hours ago, kent_white said:

 

We don't have an equality tsar or anything along those lines that you hear about. Our roles are all about commissioning services (with no money) and keeping things running (with no money) 

Had a check as friends who work in local hospital were recently complaining about the two down here and Google / LinkedIn says you have two diversity managers Yasmin Damree Ralph and Audrey Quansah Abakah. 

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Never mind all of this. The key point is that folk like him were laughing a couple of years back when some us were suggesting the correct place to place your 'X' was against Reform. They're not laughing now.

Instead they are scouring the Reform website.

We'll be coming down the road.

9 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Anyone feeling the benefit of Labour yet?

Kept seeing how shite the Tories are on here so just wondering. 

Not much difference for me ... Seems the same.

 

It’s in the queue behind all those Brexit benefits 😉

3 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

'Feeling the benefit of Labour yet'

And I thought being the numbest one of the usual coterie wasn't embarrassing enough, then you try and post nonsenstical rhetorical questions like some pound shop Question Time audience member.

 Rather than try and pretend you are even consciously aware of how daft the question you've tried to posit here is I'd kindly suggest you'd best stick to liking posts from your more kindly mob.

Fuck me, 'seems the same..' he's like a walking bot for the lowest common denominator of the electorate.

Ok Howard 

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Eh??!!! The goal keeps moving! Someone must be shouting "It's behind you" the number of time they have U turned!

Your rose tinted spectacles are not allowing you to see what is happening.

I think they've made 2 haven't they? Winter fuel payments and possibly this one? Was there something about green energy as well? 

That's just our parliamentary system doing it's job isn't it? It's literally the way it's designed. 

2 hours ago, green genie said:

Had a check as friends who work in local hospital were recently complaining about the two down here and Google / LinkedIn says you have two diversity managers Yasmin Damree Ralph and Audrey Quansah Abakah. 

Are these people who work in Bolton because I've never heard of them?

If so, Bolton Foundation Trust might have these staff, but we've not. They sometimes have them at hospitals with a lot of foreign doctors and nurses. Part of their role is to help overseas staff settle into the area and make sure that they don't pack up and leave once we've spent all that time and resource persuading them to come over to fill our gaps in the first place. A bit like a new player liaison might do for a football club I suppose.

The equality lead might also look for roles that would be suitable for people with disabilities and help support them into work. They will also have a role on making sure that services and facilities are suitable for people with physical and mental difficulties. 

I think in both cases that is money well spent - and I used to use the services of similar roles to help some of my patients when I was hands on nursing. And they were invaluable.

Like I said - we don't have them in our organisation - at least not at a local level (probably because we've no overseas doctors or nurses given what we do). 

But honestly - these roles are such an infinitesimally small percentage of the wage bill - even where they do exist. It's a smoke screen to divert your attention away from the elephant in the room which is chronic underfunding over decades and a threadbare workforce which is about to become more threadbare. 

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Stupid or dishonest? I think it's the latter.

As is your perogative 😁

11 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Are you my Mrs in disguise 🥸 

She says exactly the same mate.

She's currently working a manager role in residential ... leaving a hospital position after covid. Still NHS but will never go back to a hospital setting.

She got a mug for working on a cpap ward through covid. Lucky her

Bloody hell mate. A CPAP ward during COVID must have been hard work. She must have seen some difficult things during that time. Still, good news about the mug! Is it like mine? Standard NHS issue these? 😂

28 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think they've made 2 haven't they? Winter fuel payments and possibly this one? Was there something about green energy as well? 

That's just our parliamentary system doing it's job isn't it? It's literally the way it's designed. 

The second was the grooming gang inquiry. According to the BBC which is where I get most of my news from. They went with a critical report into the service provided by the NHS this morning. Thought it best not to mention it😳😉

14 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Are these people who work in Bolton because I've never heard of them?

If so, Bolton Foundation Trust might have these staff, but we've not. They sometimes have them at hospitals with a lot of foreign doctors and nurses. Part of their role is to help overseas staff settle into the area and make sure that they don't pack up and leave once we've spent all that time and resource persuading them to come over to fill our gaps in the first place. A bit like a new player liaison might do for a football club I suppose.

The equality lead might also look for roles that would be suitable for people with disabilities and help support them into work. They will also have a role on making sure that services and facilities are suitable for people with physical and mental difficulties. 

I think in both cases that is money well spent - and I used to use the services of similar roles to help some of my patients when I was hands on nursing. And they were invaluable.

Like I said - we don't have them in our organisation - at least not at a local level (probably because we've no overseas doctors or nurses given what we do). 

But honestly - these roles are such an infinitesimally small percentage of the wage bill - even where they do exist. It's a smoke screen to divert your attention away from the elephant in the room which is chronic underfunding over decades and a threadbare workforce which is about to become more threadbare. 

No, results from Google of Kent Medway NHS diversity manager going to LinkedIn which didn’t follow.

Agree with you about the funding but when the one down here is paid more than a 30 yr served specialist nurse who lectures country wide on treatment of MDNA many would see an issue. 
 

Not just having a pop at NHS . I work in construction and so many people ask why costs of schemes has risen so much and the numbers employed to be make sure we’ve done what’s required to tick a box to be eligible for Government contracts is a major part.

That and H&S / Ecology gone mad.

27 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

The second was the grooming gang inquiry. According to the BBC which is where I get most of my news from. They went with a critical report into the service provided by the NHS this morning. Thought it best not to mention it😳😉

I have been as critical as any when it comes to Welfare, but on Grooming Gangs he was following the thoughts of Baroness Casey and was prioritising the findings of the first review (7 years and £184m). When her audit said a National inquiry was needed he acted. 
 

Massive difference to acting on the advice of an expert compared to firstly introducing a bill driven by need to balance books and then bending when your own MPs complain. 
 

Worryingly the winter fuel and welfare were very similar in that they were changes in areas that need modernising (trying to not say reform !😂) but the approach was too simplistic and felt rushed . 

33 minutes ago, green genie said:

 

Not just having a pop at NHS . I work in construction and so many people ask why costs of schemes has risen so much and the numbers employed to be make sure we’ve done what’s required to tick a box to be eligible for Government contracts is a major part.

 

Company I worked for were involved in bidding for LIFT schemes building hospital in Leeds. First couple went well as bids, third one they did not get. The cost of a failed bid virtually bankrupt the company. 

22 minutes ago, Ani said:

I have been as critical as any when it comes to Welfare, but on Grooming Gangs he was following the thoughts of Baroness Casey and was prioritising the findings of the first review (7 years and £184m). When her audit said a National inquiry was needed he acted. 
 

Massive difference to acting on the advice of an expert compared to firstly introducing a bill driven by need to balance books and then bending when your own MPs complain. 
 

Worryingly the winter fuel and welfare were very similar in that they were changes in areas that need modernising (trying to not say reform !😂) but the approach was too simplistic and felt rushed . 

I don’t disagree but I went with the BBC’s analysis. Talking about the BBC and my comment about my source of news. Crisis they say. Is it any wonder I hold the views I have? Don’t shoot the messenger.😉

 

1 hour ago, green genie said:

No, results from Google of Kent Medway NHS diversity manager going to LinkedIn which didn’t follow.

Agree with you about the funding but when the one down here is paid more than a 30 yr served specialist nurse who lectures country wide on treatment of MDNA many would see an issue. 
 

Not just having a pop at NHS . I work in construction and so many people ask why costs of schemes has risen so much and the numbers employed to be make sure we’ve done what’s required to tick a box to be eligible for Government contracts is a major part.

That and H&S / Ecology gone mad.

Ah OK mate sorry. I got the wrong end of the stick. I thought you meant they were based up here. 

I'm sure there are a few NHS folk robbing a living out there. But the tend to get weedled out quite quickly because the rest of us pick up on the lack of work they're doing. 

Incidentally - I've done 3 hours unpaid this morning just to try and get myself on an even keel for Monday! 

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I don’t disagree but I went with the BBC’s analysis. Talking about the BBC and my comment about my source of news. Crisis they say. Is it any wonder I hold the views I have? Don’t shoot the messenger.😉

 

I think crisis is a bit strong.

But that's the clickbait style of journalism we've come to expect these days sadly. 

They've got some issues to sort - but that's the same as any large scale organisation. I'm confident that they will get there given the time. 

What's more damaging is changing whose at the helm event couple of months - so I genuinely don't think they will go down that route!!

16 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I don’t disagree but I went with the BBC’s analysis. Talking about the BBC and my comment about my source of news. Crisis they say. Is it any wonder I hold the views I have? Don’t shoot the messenger.😉

 

 Bolty will be along soon to explain that the BBC are a bunch of lefties with their own agenda. 
 

Agree with others crisis is a bit sensational, bit like watching Bolton lots of silly mistakes meaning results are not where they should be. 

13 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Anyone feeling the benefit of Labour yet?

Kept seeing how shite the Tories are on here so just wondering. 

Not much difference for me ... Seems the same.

 

Yeah it will do. It takes a bit of time for new policies to bed in. Like I was saying then the other day! 

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

I think they've made 2 haven't they? Winter fuel payments and possibly this one? Was there something about green energy as well? 

That's just our parliamentary system doing it's job isn't it? It's literally the way it's designed. 

3 this month. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/27/keir-starmer-avoid-commons-defeat-changes-welfare-bill