Politics

[Spider]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 They'll try any fucking thing. Fake news. Blatant lies. You name it.

Disprove it then. Should be simple enough.

[Sweep]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Well you can count me out of that particular club. The worst sort of hypocrite I could imagine. Absolute snake and the voting public has shown that they know it..

So Truss was better? - even you must admit, she was astonishingly bad. 

[jmjhb]

Trolling aside, Kenyon was the candidate last time so at lesst they're being consistent and not parachuting someone in like Goodwin in Gorton and Denton

[Dimron]

12 hours ago, kent_white said:

Yeah fair enough. Shit optics - but meaningless in the grand scheme of things. 

The "man of the people" owned 2 bed flat near Parliament (not bad eh?) and rented it out for profit to private tenants and then claimed 17k per annum expenses to rent a house in Kennington.

Not quite duck houses in one's moat but it's the principle... Westminster is too large and corrupt and the majority of incumbents are taking the piss. Devolution of power is the way for the will of the people to be fully recognised.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

The "man of the people" owned 2 bed flat near Parliament (not bad eh?) and rented it out for profit to private tenants and then claimed 17k per annum expenses to rent a house in Kennington.

Not quite duck houses in one's moat but it's the principle... Westminster is too large and corrupt and the majority of incumbents are taking the piss. Devolution of power is the way for the will of the people to be fully recognised.

I tend not to be too arsed about these type of things. 

Mainly because in general - I imagine the people involved are likely to have a paid advisor taking care of these kinds of things - and while they really should have oversight of it, I imagine these decisions are largely delegated. Or they don't really know they have done anything wrong until it's uncovered. 

And I'm consistent about this across all political affiliations. 

The only time I've raised an eyebrow is with Farage's recent £5m gift - which seems orders of magnitude more dodgy. Although I'd been the same if it was AB recieving it too. 

Not sure I agree on devolution either. I think it would end up being a competitive mess - but I can understand why people make the argument. 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

The "man of the people" owned 2 bed flat near Parliament (not bad eh?) and rented it out for profit to private tenants and then claimed 17k per annum expenses to rent a house in Kennington.

Not quite duck houses in one's moat but it's the principle... Westminster is too large and corrupt and the majority of incumbents are taking the piss. Devolution of power is the way for the will of the people to be fully recognised.

The will of the people, balls to that, last time we invited the "people" to express their will, we got Brexit, and what a monumental fuck up that's been thus far

We'd be much better off going back to a medieval feudal system, keeping thick poor people in their box, and just telling them what to do, it's the only way!

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

The will of the people, balls to that, last time we invited the "people" to express their will, we got Brexit, and what a monumental fuck up that's been thus far

We'd be much better off going back to a medieval feudal system, keeping thick poor people in their box, and just telling them what to do, it's the only way!

And also - the will of which people? People who talk about 'the will of the people' tend to be talking about the will of 'their' people in reality. 

[DirtySanchez]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

So Truss was better? - even you must admit, she was astonishingly bad. 

Oi 😀

[Dimron]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

 

We'd be much better off going back to a medieval feudal system, keeping thick poor people in their box, and just telling them what to do, it's the only way!

Traditionally Brits were good at that, doffing their caps to nobility, but then came social media and the belief that everyone has a right to anything they wanted.

Something like 80% of this country's wealth is still with less than 20% of the population, hereditary wealth through land ownership is massive, its held by the people the likes of you and me rarely if ever meet. They keep us thick poor people in their boxes by granting minor aspirations to avoid revolution.

[kent_white]

I love it when people say KS is the worst Prime Minister the country has ever had. Like they've an encyclopaedic knowledge of the history and careers of all Prime Ministers dating back to Robert Walpole 😁

[Dimron]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

And also - the will of which people? People who talk about 'the will of the people' tend to be talking about the will of 'their' people in reality. 

The will of the people is packaged up every four years by idealogues into manifestos and then forgotten about... hardly democratic

[Dimron]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I love it when people say KS is the worst Prime Minister the country has ever had. Like they've an encyclopaedic knowledge of the history and careers of all Prime Ministers dating back to Robert Walpole 😁

I always thought Cameron was the worst then came the rest...

[BobyBrno]

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

They're even hanging their hats on slips of the tongue now.

How fucking desperate must they be?

It happens.😉

 

[kent_white]

26 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The will of the people is packaged up every four years by idealogues into manifestos and then forgotten about... hardly democratic

If "the will of the people" only counts when every manifesto pledge is delivered, then it will never count, because no government in history delivers 100% of its promises. That's not a critique of democracy, that's a critique of asking democracy to be perfect. Which it's not and never will be. 

Which system would you prefer? 

[Dimron]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

If "the will of the people" only counts when every manifesto pledge is delivered, then it will never count, because no government in history delivers 100% of its promises. That's not a critique of democracy, that's a critique of asking democracy to be perfect. Which it's not and never will be. 

Which system would you prefer? 

I have long been an advocate of "Deliberative Democracy", research shows it produces the the best decisions and better support across diverse communities.

For democratic decisions to be legitimate they must be independent and free of influence caused by uneven power or financial gains.

Citizens Groups should be able debate locally and offer opinions to the central government, maybe central government should be more AI driven processing the devolved wishes.

[frank_spencer]

15 hours ago, Cheese said:

Just move the entire show to Birmingham or Leicester or somewhere equally central, in modern buildings with all mod-cons, rather than votes only being registered if an MP walks into a certain room and all that ridiculous fancy dress bollocks. Keep the current Parliament buildings as historic tourist attractions if need be. Not happening in a million years because we're chock full of backward cunts, but it would make far more sense.

Gonna cost at least £7bn (some estimates have it up to 10 times that) to fix up anyway.

Pull it down and build a bunch of HMOs

[Dimron]

16 hours ago, Cheese said:

Just move the entire show to Birmingham or Leicester or somewhere equally central, in modern buildings with all mod-cons, rather than votes only being registered if an MP walks into a certain room and all that ridiculous fancy dress bollocks. Keep the current Parliament buildings as historic tourist attractions if need be. Not happening in a million years because we're chock full of backward cunts, but it would make far more sense.

We agree on something... been saying this for years, a modern parliament with accommodation/office suites attached at the NEC or somewhere like that.

Disney would take the existing building, stick a monorail or travelator in it and have holograms of Churchill giving one of his we'll fight them on the beaches monologues and Guy Fawkes with barrels of gunpowder

Edited Wednesday at 14:24 by Dimron

[Sweep]

57 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Traditionally Brits were good at that, doffing their caps to nobility, but then came social media and the belief that everyone has a right to anything they wanted.

Something like 80% of this country's wealth is still with less than 20% of the population, hereditary wealth through land ownership is massive, its held by the people the likes of you and me rarely if ever meet. They keep us thick poor people in their boxes by granting minor aspirations to avoid revolution.

indeed

[kent_white]

13 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I have long been an advocate of "Deliberative Democracy", research shows it produces the the best decisions and better support across diverse communities.

For democratic decisions to be legitimate they must be independent and free of influence caused by uneven power or financial gains.

Citizens Groups should be able debate locally and offer opinions to the central government, maybe central government should be more AI driven processing the devolved wishes.

I'll have to do some reading about it and come back to you. 

It's not something I know a lot about. 

It sounds radical on a first read through though! 

[Dimron]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I'll have to do some reading about it and come back to you. 

It's not something I know a lot about. 

It sounds radical on a first read through though! 

I believe Aristotle was its biggest supporter, I got into it after watching a C4 series some years ago

Edited Wednesday at 14:41 by Dimron

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Dimron said:

I believe Aristotle was its biggest supporter, I got into it after watching a C4 series some years ago

Is he standing in Makerfield? 😁

[Duck Egg]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

I always thought Cameron was the worst then came the rest...

He was an utter c*nt but how we could do with someone of his ilk now (aside from his disastrous EU gambling tendencies)

[Dimron]

33 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

He was an utter c*nt but how we could do with someone of his ilk now (aside from his disastrous EU gambling tendencies)

It all goes back to Cameron and Osborne's coalition... Austerity was the start of it all in my opinion, it disaffected the population and the popularists blamed Europe, then came covid and austerity hit PPE readiness, then mass unregulated immigration, all feeding the popularist fire

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

It all goes back to Cameron and Osborne's coalition... Austerity was the start of it all in my opinion, it disaffected the population and the popularists blamed Europe, then came covid and austerity hit PPE readiness, then mass unregulated immigration, all feeding the popularist fire

And they reckon austerity caused over 300k excess deaths. 
 

Pair of cunts

[jmjhb]