Politics

[Zico]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

Won't bother. Just one look tells me all I need to know.

Having you in a similar time zone has become a bit of a pain in the arse 

There's only me and you here

Make the most of it

[jayjayoghani]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

He dismisses Rishi Sunak a bit but one plus from his short time as PM was the Windsor Framework. An attempt to resolve Ireland, NI, EU/Brexit and the GFA. Which Johnson completely ignored as he was inept. 

[BobyBrno]

This was Streeting yesterday.

‘Criticising the past direction of Labour, he said the 2020 leadership contest was "dishonest", and its victor Sir Keir Starmer displayed "overcautiousness in opposition".

"Interesting policy ideas couldn't be floated because we were too afraid of what the Tories might say, so we said nothing... as a result, we arrived in government underprepared in too many areas and lacking clarity of vision and direction. Questions which had gone unanswered in opposition couldn’t be ignored in office, leading to the early catastrophe of the winter fuel cut.'

 

It’s pretty much what most of their critics have been saying. They got in by highlighting the Tories weaknesses (there were many) not their strengths (there weren’t that many)

Nearly all their U-turns came from pressure within their own parties MP’s after pressure from their constituents. Thats how it should be. 

Edited yesterday at 07:43 by BobyBrno

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Aye.

Let the incumbents shoot themselves in the foot.

I don't suppose they could have gone too deeply, and openly, about policy, for fear of upsetting those standing for a constituency, but you would have expected a greater level of concensus on whatever policies they were going to legislate for.

 

[Traf]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

This was Streeting yesterday.

‘Criticising the past direction of Labour, he said the 2020 leadership contest was "dishonest", and its victor Sir Keir Starmer displayed "overcautiousness in opposition".

"Interesting policy ideas couldn't be floated because we were too afraid of what the Tories might say, so we said nothing... as a result, we arrived in government underprepared in too many areas and lacking clarity of vision and direction. Questions which had gone unanswered in opposition couldn’t be ignored in office, leading to the early catastrophe of the winter fuel cut.'

 

It’s pretty much what most of their critics have been saying. They got in by highlighting the Tories weaknesses (there were many) not their strengths (there weren’t that many)

Nearly all their U-turns came from pressure within their own parties MP’s after pressure from their constituents. Thats how it should be. 

Streeting backed Starmer's campaign to become leader in 2020.

[athywhite1958]

And to think we have got a town full of Wiganers (I won't say  6 fingered  sister shagging inbreds in case it upsets someone on here) voting for potentially our next PM

[mickbrown]

Why are the media just calling it Makerfield. It’s proper getting on my tits

[only1swanny]

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15822289/Green-Party-councillor-Baggy-Khan-Lamborghini-car-dealership-haulage-firm-Palestine.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawR2l9xleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETJFVGViUEtkdUZ0M3hPbzRuc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHrlrNY7id6uHXKAV9Q8iVq-fY_MFf-YYBaiPkleLPgIrLk-UbABxsYtYsa-V_aem_ZRDZ0Z12csk6avDR8iilHA

From the Article

Green Party Councillor, seen driving a Lambo

Sells and shows off fast cars, has a haulage firm (All Ai images on both socials and webpage)

Video's appearing to show him filming whilst driving

Multiple businesses

Offering "students" access to 15k of tax paxers money..

But has stated that it's because he's either Asian, Muslim or something else.. 

 

I know it's the mail, but when the Nationals have you in sight, they'll find anything they can...

 

[jmjhb]

14 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Why are the media just calling it Makerfield. It’s proper getting on my tits

That's the name of the constituency

[Zulu]

Burnham retreats on push to rejoin EU. According to the Daily Telegraph. 
 

U-turn anyone? Excellent. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Zulu
Trying to post the link, but beyond my technical competence. Oh well! 😃

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Zulu said:

Burnham retreats on push to rejoin EU. According to the Daily Telegraph. 
 

U-turn anyone? Excellent. 

If you’ve got a few days spare, have a look at all the u turns every politician that ever existed has made 🙃

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

If you’ve got a few days spare, have a look at all the u turns every politician that ever existed has made 🙃

Which makes it even stranger that the current PM said making U  turns is a sign of incompetence. It’s like he’s not a clue what he’s on about. Maybe he should make a U Turn on that? 

[Zulu]

45 minutes ago, Spider said:

If you’ve got a few days spare, have a look at all the u turns every politician that ever existed has made 🙃

Yes Spider. Politicians are all the same. I have pointed that out to you before, it must be said. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Zulu

[Tonge moor green jacket]

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

Which makes it even stranger that the current PM said making U  turns is a sign of incompetence. It’s like he’s not a clue what he’s on about. Maybe he should make a U Turn on that? 

He is everything, with interest, that he criticised any and every opponent for.

[Sweep]

32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He is everything, with interest, that he criticised any and every opponent for.

He's no different to those who came before and those who will come after. Let's not make out like he's "even worse" he lies and u-turns like they all do

[kent_white]

Just now, Sweep said:

He's no different to those who came before and those who will come after. Let's not make out like he's "even worse" he lies and u-turns like they all do

And also just a quick reminder that it's basically impossible (and often irresponsible) for a leader to never back down, change their mind or do a 180 if a plan isn't working out as they'd hoped. 

You'd think Starmer was Chairman Mao with some of the stick that he gets. It's massively out of proportion to reality. But that's the way of the world now I fear. 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

And also just a quick reminder that it's basically impossible (and often irresponsible) for a leader to never back down, change their mind or do a 180 if a plan isn't working out as they'd hoped. 

You'd think Starmer was Chairman Mao with some of the stick that he gets. It's massively out of proportion to reality. But that's the way of the world now I fear. 

He would have been better keeping his mouth shut then when others did it

[mickbrown]

19 hours ago, jmjhb said:

That's the name of the constituency

I never knew that. Ta

[royal white]

All this “Islamophobia” we keep hearing about now, is it any worse than the Irish got in the 80/90s? Obviously it’s massively different with social media so that can’t be compared but in day to day living. 

[Traf]

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

And also just a quick reminder that it's basically impossible (and often irresponsible) for a leader to never back down, change their mind or do a 180 if a plan isn't working out as they'd hoped. 

You'd think Starmer was Chairman Mao with some of the stick that he gets. It's massively out of proportion to reality. But that's the way of the world now I fear. 

Yeah, apparently, Starmer is the worst PM we've ever had and has, in just two years, completely destroyed the country.

Yet, despite a global economic shitshow, the FTSE hit its highest point earlier this year and is up 16% over the last year.

[Traf]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Obviously it’s massively different with social media

Hit the nail on the head there.

Apply this saying to everything.

[kent_white]

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

He would have been better keeping his mouth shut then when others did it

I agree. I always think it's daft of politicians to score cheap points like that. Especially if they're likely to find themselves in office at some point. 

[fatolive]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

All this “Islamophobia” we keep hearing about now, is it any worse than the Irish got in the 80/90s? Obviously it’s massively different with social media so that can’t be compared but in day to day living. 

Think it is a bit due to the simple fact that you possibly wouldn’t know an Irish person walking down the street unless you spoke to them so the numbers didn’t stand out coupled with the fact, let’s face it, no matter what any political differences some may have had , Irish people who came over here were generally living the same way as English people  . Didn’t need to build churches as already here for those that wanted them .  Same as Polish now tbh . 
course there were and are clubs for certain aspects of “ home” but by and large no different. Work , drink, sport . 
that said, I do remember the Irish jokes on tv and thinking why is that happening , my dads not thick etc along with a few incidents of name calling when bombs going off etc and sometimes it was upsetting, but nowhere near the same and the reason my dad settled in Bolton was because of the friendliness he’d been shown and how he met people like him just with different accents .