Politics

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Iran, Egypt, Pakistan to name but a few.

Shall I continue ?

I think you've mistaken "friends of the left" for "countries". Unless you can be a bit more specific? 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

The evidence around capital punishment acting as a deterrent is mixed at best. There's no real conclusion to be found to either support or not support the idea that capital punishment acts as a deterrent.

Intuitively I'd say if you're fucked up enough to murder someone then you're likely deranged enough not to care anyway.

Aye but once you’ve topped them that’s the cost of looking after them gone and they’re not gonna hurt anyone else ever again. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye but once you’ve topped them that’s the cost of looking after them gone and they’re not gonna hurt anyone else ever again. 

And if it turns out they were innocent?

[kent_white]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Aye but once you’ve topped them that’s the cost of looking after them gone. 

Yeah I understand the cost argument - I just don't agree with it. The principle is more important than the pound.

It's a backward practice for me.

Come on - you've got Boris, Donald an exit from the EU and billions spent on trident. Can't you just leave us with not executing our own citizens?

[Cheese]

This is the way we're going folks. Incredible. 

[Zico]

Just now, Cheese said:

And if it turns out they were innocent?

there will always be one

and the thing is

it's not like the old days in the 60s where they were tried and hung within months - folk are on death row for years in "civilised" countries (i.e. USA) with appeal after appeal, it's almost pointless having it other than to give some satisfaction to some of the people who knew the victim

if you want someone to suffer for a crime they more than likely committed, give them solitary or something

[Zico]

also, for those who do support the death penalty, is that because you think it's a deterrent, or because you see it as justice?

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

there will always be one

and the thing is

it's not like the old days in the 60s where they were tried and hung within months - folk are on death row for years in "civilised" countries (i.e. USA) with appeal after appeal, it's almost pointless having it other than to give some satisfaction to some of the people who knew the victim

if you want someone to suffer for a crime they more than likely committed, give them solitary or something

Also, countries with the death penalty tend to have the highest murder rates. It is categorically NOT a deterrent. 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Also, countries with the death penalty tend to have the highest murder rates. It is categorically NOT a deterrent. 

Although you could argue that they have the death penalty because they have the highest murder rates? Correlation does not necessarily imply causation and all that.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Although you could argue that they have the death penalty because they have the highest murder rates? Correlation does not necessarily imply causation and all that.

You could argue that, but you would be wrong.

[Nowack]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained

Above is a link to the new manifesto. Make of it what you will I'm guessing some will be delighted and others horrified. As is the way of the world. 

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You could argue that, but you would be wrong.

Not really - like I've pointed out already - there's no real conclusive evidence to suggest that capital punishment does or does not prevent serious crime. I'd always assumed that it would lead to higher murder rates ultimately but it doesn't necessarily appear to be the case.

Some interesting information on it here.....

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/deterrence

I think it's reasonable to surmise that places with a higher murder rate are more likely to have instigated the death penalty. Whether it has helped is still very much open to debate  And then it becomes a chicken and an egg argument.

Personally I think it's an atrocious idea - the concept of state sponsored execution is sick as far as I'm concerned. 

[miamiwhite]

36 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I think you've mistaken "friends of the left" for "countries". Unless you can be a bit more specific? 

Please remind me who your mate Jezza said were his friends ?

I’ll give you a clue, he attends their Al Quds Day rallies.......friends of the left indeed Cyril.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Not really - like I've pointed out already - there's no real conclusive evidence to suggest that capital punishment does or does not prevent serious crime. I'd always assumed that it would lead to higher murder rates ultimately but it doesn't necessarily appear to be the case.

Some interesting information on it here.....

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/deterrence

I think it's reasonable to surmise that places with a higher murder rate are more likely to have instigated the death penalty. Whether it has helped is still very much open to debate  And then it becomes a chicken and an egg argument.

Personally I think it's an atrocious idea - the concept of state sponsored execution is sick as far as I'm concerned. 

If Cheese says you are wrong, then you are, most likely, right

[royal white]

10s of millions of pounds could be saved. Be done with them

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

10s of millions of pounds could be saved. Be done with them

What - for nicking a moped?

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

If Cheese says you are wrong, then you are, most likely, right

- I think Cheese tells you you're wrong regardless!

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Not really - like I've pointed out already - there's no real conclusive evidence to suggest that capital punishment does or does not prevent serious crime. I'd always assumed that it would lead to higher murder rates ultimately but it doesn't necessarily appear to be the case.

Some interesting information on it here.....

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/deterrence

I think it's reasonable to surmise that places with a higher murder rate are more likely to have instigated the death penalty. Whether it has helped is still very much open to debate  And then it becomes a chicken and an egg argument.

Personally I think it's an atrocious idea - the concept of state sponsored execution is sick as far as I'm concerned. 

Why do you vote Labour then, when they side with the likes of Iran ?

Not having a go, just genuinely curious.

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Please remind me who your mate Jezza said were his friends ?

I’ll give you a clue, he attends their Al Quds Day rallies.......friends of the left indeed Cyril.

My mate Jezza? Hahahaha! Try again mate. 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

My mate Jezza? Hahahaha! Try again mate. 

Same principal though mate, Labour are left are they not and they back Iran.

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Why do you vote Labour then, when they side with the likes of Iran ?

Not having a go, just genuinely curious.

I don't feel like they do 'side with Iran' - and I'm far from convinced that I'd vote Labour in a GE. 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

- I think Cheese tells you you're wrong regardless!

Not at all. There is just no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. All the evidence shows it has barely any impact whatsoever. It's basically common sense. A murderer doesn't tend to think about the consequences while he/she is murdering someone. 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Same principal though mate, Labour are left are they not and they back Iran.

Are you talking about JC's reaction to this oil tanker business? And blaming Trump for pulling out if the nuclear deal?

[miamiwhite]

Just now, kent_white said:

I don't feel like they do 'side with Iran' - and I'm far from convinced that I'd vote Labour in a GE. 

No probs mate, thanks for the answer. You must have missed your leader on Press Tv in Tehran then

 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Not at all. There is just no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. All the evidence shows it has barely any impact whatsoever. It's basically common sense. A murderer doesn't tend to think about the consequences while he/she is murdering someone. 

Nor does jail in many cases, but the death penalty for the most severe crimes is more cost effective. 

So kill the cunts