Politics

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

And they've never changed their minds or broken their own rules have they.

Boris Johnson was a Remainer in 2015.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Boris Johnson was a Remainer in 2015.

We all know that. Not long ago, so was I.

Therefore the EU are more than capable of changing their rhetoric aren't they.

[Wanderlust]

30 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

And they've never changed their minds or broken their own rules have they.

They've never broken their own rules to my knowledge but I'm happy to be enlightened. As for changing their minds they have a process (information/consultation/vote) before doing so but that's exactly what Governments are supposed to do isn't it?

Question is what has changed given that  our Government's negotiating team has already exhausted every offer and threat at their disposal - so I don't see how chucking Benny Hill's American love child into the equation will change anything.

Although TBF Benny himself was very popular in Europe and across the globe, and Baby Boris has mastered the upside down salute so maybe that will be enough?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Firstly, as a suggestion, go on iPlayer and watch the documentary about the EU. More than happy to change tack, when it suits, so it would be beneficial to do so again.

Secondly, have a study of the history of this process. The process was undertaken along TM's lines. To suggest all is therefore exhausted is somewhat naïve to say the least.

Whether or not we feel Johnson is the best person for the job is no longer relevant. He's got the job, and should be supported in his efforts, until he succeeds or fails.

[Cheese]

37 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We all know that. Not long ago, so was I.

Therefore the EU are more than capable of changing their rhetoric aren't they.

So you're pinning all your hopes on "the EU" changing course after refusing to budge for 3 years.

And if they don't, you're presumably pinning all your hopes on Boris Johnson not changing course, after a career of flip-flopping on almost every issue, depending which way the wind was blowing at that particular moment.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Cheese

[Mounts Kipper]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So you're pinning all your hopes on "the EU" changing course after refusing to budge for 3 years.

And if they don't, you're presumably pinning all your hopes on Boris Johnson not changing course, after a career of flip-flopping on almost every issue, depending which way the wind was blowing at that particular moment.

You do know that it’s widely known that the EU held back on giving TM any further concessions as they knew TM was busted flush,  inevitably further concessions will be forthcoming now that we have a leader who won’t roll over like she did. 

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know that it’s widely known that the EU held back on giving TM any further concessions as they knew TM was busted flush,  inevitably further concessions will be forthcoming now that we have a leader who won’t roll over like she did. 

We will see.

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know that it’s widely known that the EU held back on giving TM any further concessions as they knew TM was busted flush,  inevitably further concessions will be forthcoming now that we have a leader who won’t roll over like she did. 

You do know that nothing is "widely known" at all in this process

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

You do know that nothing is "widely known" at all in this process

It’s widely known if you watched Katya Adler last night say the same. 

[Salford Trotter]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know that it’s widely known that the EU held back on giving TM any further concessions as they knew TM was busted flush,  inevitably further concessions will be forthcoming now that we have a leader who won’t roll over like she did. 

Where did you get that gem from? 😂

[Salford Trotter]

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know that it’s widely known that the EU held back on giving TM any further concessions as they knew TM was busted flush,  inevitably further concessions will be forthcoming now that we have a leader who won’t roll over like she did. 

 

This can't be the article you are referring to because there is nothing in there to suggest there are substantive  concessions about to be put on the table. So where are you getting your insider news from? 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Cheese]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

 

This can't be the article you are referring to because there is nothing in there to suggest there a substantive  concessions about to be put on the table. So where are you getting your insider news from? 

I'm guessing brexitcentral.com

[Mounts Kipper]

23 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

 

This can't be the article you are referring to because there is nothing in there to suggest there are substantive  concessions about to be put on the table. So where are you getting your insider news from? 

I listened to Adler last night, it beggars belief you still don’t think that there will be further concessions from the EU. Whether that will be enough to move parliaments position is anyone’s guess. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I listened to Adler last night, it beggars belief you still don’t think that there will be no movement from the EU. 

I am sure they will concede on the PD but i expect very little change to the WA. What are these changes that are widely known about? Please do share

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

I am sure they will concede on the PD but i expect very little change to the WA. What are these changes that are widely known about? Please do share

Backstop. 

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Backstop. 

What are they going to change about it? 

Edit: this is what Katya said... 

And while limited changes to the backstop guarantee for the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland might be conceivable - if Dublin is willing - the Boris Johnson notion of abandoning the backstop altogether is nigh on unthinkable for Brussels.

 

My understanding from what Johnson has said that he wants the backstop removed completely, is that the change you think he will get? 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

What are they going to change about it? 

Edit: this is what Katya said... 

And while limited changes to the backstop guarantee for the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland might be conceivable - if Dublin is willing - the Boris Johnson notion of abandoning the backstop altogether is nigh on unthinkable for Brussels.

 

My understanding from what Johnson has said that he wants the backstop removed completely, is that the change you think he will get? 

Who knows, he’s a better chance than May, who it’s clear didn’t even try. 

[Salford Trotter]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Who knows, he’s a better chance than May, who it’s clear didn’t even try. 

My apologies i thought you said these concessions were widely known

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

My apologies i thought you said these concessions were widely known

The fact that the EU are ready to make some concessions is widely known. 

[Salford Trotter]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The fact that the EU are ready to make some concessions is widely known. 

Ah i see, i don't believe they will be substantial enough to make a difference but we live in hope🤞

[Tonge moor green jacket]

32 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Ah i see, i don't believe they will be substantial enough to make a difference but we live in hope🤞

That's now his job. He's made a punchy speech and outlined his desire to get a good deal.

Now it's time to deliver.

[Salford Trotter]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's now his job. He's made a punchy speech and outlined his desire to get a good deal.

Now it's time to deliver.

👍No excuses but i don't envy the task

[miamiwhite]

3 hours ago, Hoppy510 said:

They've never broken their own rules to my knowledge but I'm happy to be enlightened. As for changing their minds they have a process (information/consultation/vote) before doing so but that's exactly what Governments are supposed to do isn't it?

Question is what has changed given that  our Government's negotiating team has already exhausted every offer and threat at their disposal - so I don't see how chucking Benny Hill's American love child into the equation will change anything.

Although TBF Benny himself was very popular in Europe and across the globe, and Baby Boris has mastered the upside down salute so maybe that will be enough?

Here and happy to enlighten you sir.

Check out the EU bailouts, thanks in advance.

[miamiwhite]

46 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

👍No excuses but i don't envy the task

An interesting little read for you mate.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/if-johnson-becomes-pm-he-should-thank-varadkar-says-historian-1.3961740

[Cheese]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Who knows, he’s a better chance than May, who it’s clear didn’t even try. 

So now you've got a proper Brexit government, the big question is - who are you going to blame if/when things don't happen as you predict they will? 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Cheese