Afua Hirsch, well know left wing broadcaster, lawyer and human rights activist wants Nelsons Column torn down 'because he was a white supremacist'. "If they are doing it in America.............."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/22/toppling-statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery

 

Thankfully, there are brighter folk around like Maajid Nawaz

 

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/maajid-destroys-guardian-columnists-suggestion-to/

 

I await with interest the Lord Mayor of Londons comments.

Agree with all of that bar the marriage bit.

 

But my point is you can't stop people feeling how they feel. What's normal to you and me isn't normal to them.

 

Like I say the vocal minority probably taint their existence. All I know are normal folk that just crack on with every day life.

 

My point to WM was there's extreme sexual views across every sexual orientation. Leave em to it.

 

 

Gonzo, we agree. Those with needs which are not 'mainstream' (apart from nonces of course) can do everything they want in private as consenting adults. None of anyone else's business.

 

I am just against the devaluation of marriage which, in my view, would threaten the traditional family unit.

 

 

Not even playing that. Presume it  is more dross from the pro gay marriage mob down here who have been against asking the electorate from day one because they know it won't get up that way.

 

Their hope was for a vote in parliament where an alliance of the filthy reds and the sinister greens plus a few oddball independents gave them the best statistical chance of success. The postal plebiscite we are now left with is a fucking shambles.

I can see Swanny and Ani's point but before I'd be putting vulnerable and impressionable kids into a situation like that I would be cutting back on the masses of red tape normal heterosexual couples who are desperate to adopt have to go through.

 

For my money, that's where a large part of the problem could be solved before considering an 'alternative' alternative.

I can see Swanny and Ani's point but before I'd be putting vulnerable and impressionable kids into a situation like that I would be cutting back on the masses of red tape normal heterosexual couples who are desperate to adopt have to go through.

 

For my money, that's where a large part of the problem could be solved before considering an 'alternative' alternative.

 

 

theres a massive shortage of people wanting to foster/adopt

 

the 3 week old blonde baby with blue eyes has a waiting list but beyond that, in many parts of the country, its a different story

theres a massive shortage of people wanting to foster/adopt

 

the 3 week old blonde baby with blue eyes has a waiting list but beyond that, in many parts of the country, its a different story

Part of that problem is the insistence on placing black and mixed children with families of the same racial makeup.

Part of that problem is the insistence on placing black and mixed children with families of the same racial makeup.

My friends are foster parents and from their experience they'll try and put a mixed child with a couple of the same background.

If that doesn't happen then the child is adopted out to any deserving applicant.

 

The idea of a traditional family is long dead thanks to the actions of us straight folk.

 

Id rather a kid have 2 dads or mums than a mum and dad living miles apart, who can't stop arguing about trivial shit, for the sake of their child.

 

If 2 fellas want to get married and adopt a child or 2 and provide them with a loving stable home. I can't see what impact that has on my marriage and family.

I agree with the argument but why is it always set up as an alternative between a kid staying in care/with abusive parents or with a lovely, fluffy same sex couple?

I agree with the argument but why is it always set up as an alternative between a kid staying in care/with abusive parents or with a lovely, fluffy same sex couple?

Because there's not enough straight couples who want to adopt.

So inevitably there's kids still in care so why shouldn't they have a shot at a loving family?

 

Gay couples who adopt are no more likely to be bad parents than a straight couple.

 

Hearing some of the tales from the kids my friend fosters has made me more determined that people who want to adopt and pass the checks should be able to regardless of sexuality, gender or race.

I know the alternative isn't great but the last thing I'd have wanted growing up is two queer parents.

 

Fuck me school was brutal enough.

I know the alternative isn't great but the last thing I'd have wanted growing up is two queer parents.

 

Fuck me school was brutal enough.

I honestly don't think it would be as much of an issue these days. Kids don't think twice about it..

 

In three years I've heard gay or queer used as an insult once.

 

Despite the best work done by carehomes, it isn't the best environment for kids.

Ww are looking to adopt in about six/seven years when ours have grown up a bit, granted though we would want a white child because any other ethnic origin would stand out and cause issues,but when the time comes ill be happy to give any child a home.

I know the alternative isn't great but the last thing I'd have wanted growing up is two queer parents.

 

Fuck me school was brutal enough.

Thing is school kids will pick on you for anything.

As long as they know it'll get a reaction.

It can be a simple as having the 'wrong shoes' or calling the teacher mum once.

 

It might just have been my school but when I got to 4th year I realised that if I didn't react they'd move on to a target who would.

 

Talked to my friends lad about this last year and he said there's the odd kid who tries saying something but it doesn't bother him because 'it shows how much of a prick they really are'

granted though we would want a white child because any other ethnic origin would stand out and cause issues,but when the time comes ill be happy to give any child a home.

My foster parent friends had an Asian girl for a while the looks they got as they pushed her round used to make the 'dad' laugh but the 'mum' felt like people were judging her.

I know the alternative isn't great but the last thing I'd have wanted growing up is two queer parents.

Fuck me school was brutal enough.

This.

 

There's no disputing the potential love and care a homosexual couple may have for a prospective adopted child, but I'm still uncomfortable with what might be in store for that child as it grows up.

Maybe old fashioned, just how I feel.

How the fuck would anyone 'at school' know the sexual orientation of their carers? Look at these kids for example - you wouldn't have a clue unless you were specifically told...

 

Define 'extreme'? The views I hold would have been mainstream not so many years ago.

 

Against gay marriage, against same sex couples adopting, against overtly sexual displays in public, against promotion of what I consider to be an unnatural lifestyle in schools.

 

Not against those of that orientation doing whatever they want to each other in private as consenting adults.

 

You can all bang on as much as you want about 'old fashioned ideas', blah, blah, fucking blah. The family unit is the basic building block of our society and civilisation and I am 100% against it being messed with just for the sake of making Abby Normal feel normal.

 

2 blokes kissing in public isn't going to mess with the "normal family unit". 

 

I see absolutely no valid argument against gay marriage. None at all. If folk are gay and want to marry...rock on. 

 

Interestingly your term "unnatural lifestyles" would resonate very well with some of the more extreme Muslims in this country. Perhaps you have some significant common ground there?

Does anyone reckon that being adopted by a gay couple means there's a bigger chance the child could become a gay?

Does anyone reckon that being adopted by a gay couple means there's a bigger chance the child could become a gay?

 

It depends if they stumble in on them whilst they're committing their sordid acts

http://www.youtu.be/UKhCvHqxtEU

It depends if they stumble in on them whilst they're committing their sordid acts

Baby OJ seems to be having a whale of a time...

 

Does anyone reckon that being adopted by a gay couple means there's a bigger chance the child could become a gay?

It would potentially fuck with their head.

Then again I would presume a kid growing up with homosexual feelings with straight parents may also have similar issues.

It would potentially fuck with their head.

Then again I would presume a kid growing up with homosexual feelings with straight parents may also have similar issues.

 

Surely it is a good thing for a kid to realise everybody is different but that we can all get along?

Parents being supportive is more important than what gender rocks their boat. 

Surely it is a good thing for a kid to realise everybody is different but that we can all get along?

Parents being supportive is more important than what gender rocks their boat.

 

Obviously a good thing for a kid to realise everyone is different. Doesn't mean there won't be difficulties for them on the journey.

Just can't see how the shit that child is going to get will be compensated by two loving/ understanding dads or mums.

 

Anyone being fostered or adopted should be put in an environment that is going to benefit them the most.

I'm obviously very old fashioned, but two blokes or two women, together cannot have children. Nowt to do any homophobic beliefs, purely what nature decrees.

It doesn't rest easy that a child be put in a situation like that, I'm sure that the adoptive parents may be good people, but that's not the issue. Its about the child and his/her future, and what they're going to be subjected to away from the family

You can't be against gays adopting because the kid might get picked on at school

 

The kid might turn out to be the hardest cunt in their year and be able to look after themselves, and who all the other kids are shit scared of

 

Just because the parents whiff of lavender doesn't mean they will

You can't be against gays adopting because the kid might get picked on at school

 

The kid might turn out to be the hardest cunt in their year and be able to look after themselves, and who all the other kids are shit scared of

 

Just because the parents whiff of lavender doesn't mean they will

indeed, plus as i said above kids will always find something to pick on other kids for be it being a ginge, wearing glasses or their parents being bumders