Annual weightloss/get fit thread

[Tonge moor green jacket]

33 minutes ago, batton carrier said:

My biggest issue now that the weight loss has slowed after the initial great results, is  keeping going. The old me keeps calling to see if the new me fancies playing out.  

Are you getting out for any hikes/walks?

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Smiley said:

Wish I could afford a PT.

Everyone has their own opinions. For everyone who says its bad, there’s another bunch of experts who say it’s good for you.

Whilst ketosis can switch the bodies energy pathways from carbohydrates to fat stores you have to ask what is the purpose of doing this?

 

Yes Fat utilisation can be beneficial for “sustained” energy endurance over anaerobic performance when compared to carbohydrates…..

 

BUT It can also lead to a greater loss of lean muscle tissue. increased fatigue through electrolyte dysfunction, sodium depletion and dehydration (the exact opposite of what you need). A much higher chance of hitting ‘the wall’ and not having the capacity to ‘kick on’ when needed due to depleted glycogen storage. And it can reduce adaptive recovery time post race.

 

And whilst ‘Short’ term ketones can produce a perception of mental clarity (much like caffeine), long term lack of carbohydrates is associated with mental fatigue as the brains preferred fuel source. 

 

Simply put the negatives outweigh the positives. 

 

The two things you may have is improved gut health due to the lack of reliance on energy gels etc which can be abrasive on the stomach. And a slightly lower risk of inflammation.

 

However True ketosis for endurance purposes would take around 8-12 weeks for the body to effectively and efficiently ‘switch’ pathways.

 

Otherwise you are in essence pissing in the wind 🌬️

 

There's an absolute plethora of health issues caused by even a moderate length of Keotis.

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Smiley said:

Fasting resets your body from the inside. Sacks off your bad cells. Massive, massive benefits from doing it.

From snacking constantly and raiding the fridge every 15 minutes, I’m now literally never hungry. Feeling very satiated from the good fats and protein in my daily meals.

Obesity, diabetes and being “over fat” are happening in epidemic proportions and the “standard” diet that most of us have signed up for all our lives clearly isn’t working. Not too mention chronic illnesses.

The USFDA changes in 1977 moving the world from high fat/low sugar to low fat/high sugar has been castastrophic. Just look around. There’s more fatties than thinnies nowadays.

BUT there’s also a lot of “athletic” types and gym types who look fit but are eating shit calories and too much sugar.

The cell part is autophagy.

It doesn’t RESET the body but helps to create new cells etc.

It can work through fasting however protein can also inhibit autophagy to some extent, as protein intake can stimulate insulin release and activate nutrient-sensing pathways like mTOR (mechanistic target of rapamycin), which suppresses autophagy.

You can still achieve this with complex carbs in the same way. Although simple sugars will indeed F this up

There's a vast difference between complex and simple carbohydrates.

 

I doubt the Chinese who eat very low fat diets and have one of the best obesity rates and longest life expectancies would agree that ketosis is the way forward haha.

Why? because their carbs come from veg fruit and complex grains like rice...

There's not a doctor or professional health advisor on planet earth would recommend Ketosis or fasting merely to lose a bit of weight.

It's fad bollocks driven by cunts trying to make money that have no idea what they are talking about.

We've made it as a life form by existing on a really simple set of essential nutrients.

Protein. Carbs (good). Fats and acids.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Kinell Gonzo, which publication is that from?

Interesting about rice- GPs warn against the white version as it can give blood sugar spikes, in the same way as white bread.

Brown slows all that down.

Better flavour in wholemeal too.

I'm about to have some wholemeal chapatis- lad's made a "Bhutanese" curry.

Tomorrow morning could be very interesting 🙂 

[Smiley]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

However True ketosis for endurance purposes would take around 8-12 weeks for the body to effectively and efficiently ‘switch’ pathways.

I’m a good 2 1/2 weeks on my way to this. For now, I’ll accept the “untrue” ketosis and keep doing what I am.

China’s obesity rates have quadrupled over the last 30 years.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

It was very good.

He made it up though- his own recipe and not Bhutanese.

As an aside, I've just been reading about Dandelion tea; seems that in moderation, it's the dog's bollocks.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Smiley said:

I’m a good 2 1/2 weeks on my way to this. For now, I’ll accept the “untrue” ketosis and keep doing what I am.

China’s obesity rates have quadrupled over the last 30 years.

McDonald's get everywhere 😁

[gonzo]

Just now, Smiley said:

I’m a good 2 1/2 weeks on my way to this. For now, I’ll accept the “untrue” ketosis and keep doing what I am.

China’s obesity rates have quadrupled over the last 30 years.

Keep at it mate.  I've done it myself.

It's by in no way shape of form good for you in any way bar losing some body fat quickly.

You need carbohydrates. Good ones. That is absolute scientific fact.

It'd simply better just eating a balanced diet and at a calorie deficit. 

But if you want a quick fix fad, crack on. I'm sure you'll look great.

 

.....especially when you pile it all back on again when you start eating spuds again

 

[Smiley]

Keto has been around by name since the 1920s. 

Surely eating fast food, sweets, chocolates, cake, high processed foods, additives, etc, etc is a fad diet that’s gone way too big. Not a single doctor on the planet would ever recommend it. But most of them are eating it and overweight. My last 2 GPs have been very portly.

[gonzo]

Just now, Smiley said:

Keto has been around by name since the 1920s. 

Surely eating fast food, sweets, chocolates, cake, high processed foods, additives, etc, etc is a fad diet that’s gone way too big. Not a single doctor on the planet would ever recommend it. But most of them are eating it and overweight. My last 2 GPs have been very portly.

Ketosis isn't not eating them.

You need to understand the difference between complex and simple carbohydrates.

Chalk and cheese. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Smiley said:

Keto has been around by name since the 1920s. 

Surely eating fast food, sweets, chocolates, cake, high processed foods, additives, etc, etc is a fad diet that’s gone way too big. Not a single doctor on the planet would ever recommend it. But most of them are eating it and overweight. My last 2 GPs have been very portly.

That's not really being debated.

Simply the best way to loose weight; irrespective of how it's been gained.

As above, if it works for you, then crack on.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole considering the weight of contradictory evidence on the effect of fasting for those with epilepsy. 

[Smiley]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Ketosis isn't not eating them.

You need to understand the difference between complex and simple carbohydrates.

Chalk and cheese. 

I didn’t say it was. Just pointing out the the typical diet on the planet is eating shit. Many, many hidden sugars in every day stuff.

Still eating up to 50g (gross) of carbs each day, mainly broccoli (listed as the number one complex carb in many places).

[Smiley]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's not really being debated.

Simply the best way to loose weight; irrespective of how it's been gained.

As above, if it works for you, then crack on.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole considering the weight of contradictory evidence on the effect of fasting for those with epilepsy. 

Not just a weight loss plan. Trying to burn off some fat. Get stronger and trimmer at the same time. Whilst building up my aerobic base - rather than going through the no-pain, no-gain routine that most folk do. I’ve been there, been injured and suffered from a lot of inflammation. Will see how it goes.

The ultimate goal is to cycle between low carb and keto as and when I need to.

[Zico]

The other downside is you look like you've got aids

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Aren't injuries a potential indicator of simply doing too much?

You seem to be supremely fit anyway- how much trimmer can you get?

This isn't a slight in anyway, but is it possible that you've become somewhat addicted to excercise- it does happen in some cases.

I'm a touch concerned when my lad says he wants to get more into "shape", as he means more muscular and what he perceives to be a better body.

He's thin, but strong and has a good physique anyway. 

Just don't want him going overboard with it.

[batton carrier]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Are you getting out for any hikes/walks?

Not as much as I did as the dog is getting on a bit ,but I'm always active . Like many of us I just  have a self destruct  mode. If I stay in I'm bored shitless and if I go out I can't come home.

[Smiley]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aren't injuries a potential indicator of simply doing too much?

You seem to be supremely fit anyway- how much trimmer can you get?

This isn't a slight in anyway, but is it possible that you've become somewhat addicted to excercise- it does happen in some cases.

I'm a touch concerned when my lad says he wants to get more into "shape", as he means more muscular and what he perceives to be a better body.

He's thin, but strong and has a good physique anyway. 

Just don't want him going overboard with it.

Injuries are a sign of being totally incompetent at running, having only really got into it in the last 4 years. Skipping the couch-to-5k and trying to run ultras… think my body has struggled. Fitness has been perfectly fine. And managed to get a slight grip of the mental strength needed.

A few weeks ago I was roughly a stone heavier than I was during covid 2020. I was at my fittest and best then. So a return to that weight would be good. Running with a stone less to cart around is going to help me avoid injuries.

Hence, me going back to basics, low heart rate slow running (in the fat burning zone) and having a dietary plan to go hand-in-hand with it. Whilst educating myself each day on both the nutritional and physical side of things (watching tons and listening to tons of podcasts, YouTube vids, etc).

[PatrickBateman]

Join a gym

Lift weights 

Eat well

That's all you fucking need

Chubsters talking about gay diets is very Loose Women

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Gym: 🤮

Going for a good walk, doing some physical stuff outside: 👍

Masturbating furiously, well..

[PatrickBateman]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Gym: 🤮

Going for a good walk, doing some physical stuff outside: 👍

Masturbating furiously, well..

I drag myself out of bed everyday at 5.30am to lift weights and I feel fcking fantastic  🙃 

I like a good walk tho but running is for children, fat women and gays in lycra.

[Traf]

3 hours ago, PatrickBateman said:

I drag myself out of bed everyday at 5.30am to lift weights and I feel fcking fantastic  🙃 

I like a good walk tho but running is for children, fat women and gays in lycra.

@Big E agrees.

[Sweep]

16 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

McDonald's get everywhere 😁

You say that, I first went to Shangahi about 25 years ago, and not a single "Western" takeaway place could be found, and believe me after being there for 2 weeks, I was definitely looking for one. Roll on when I last went, and you couldn't move for them, McDs, KFC, Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks type places absolutely everywhere, sadly at the detriment to the traditional dumpling houses. And the Chinese are definitely turning into a right bunch of fat fucks, like we are in the UK.

Processed food is definitely having an effect on Global health, and it's only going to get worse I fear

[Tonge moor green jacket]

No Greggs?

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

 McDs, KFC, Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks type places absolutely everywhere

yeah but they might not have been genuine

[Zico]

they also opened "actual" fake apple stores and duped employees into thinking they worked for apple