Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

And generally, probably where they're least likely to be seen

I felt schools and universities were some sort of compromise when it came to cracking on, but i guess if you don't have kids requiring either, it didn't seem like a compromise

super spreaders those kids, 

They wear masks when moving around but not in class.. but some won't follow the rules at all. 

I reckon the Government will follow wither Ireland or Wales with a plan to reduce pressure on the NHS

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I was referring to zicos post about bringing the army in to enforce rules. Rules that have been enforced anyway imo.

 

I know mate. 

The rules don't make a great deal of difference to aerosols. If you aint got good ventilation, and you haven't got a mask on , and you sit in a room for a few hours, your lungs will be filtering the contents of the air in the room. I reckon in the future they'll look back and think, what the beejesus were we doing telling folk its ok to sit in a bar as long as your table is a few metres away from your mate Dave. I've got nothing against pubs, it would be the same at choir practice. They should have prioritised outdoor seating. Pedestrianise the roads near pubs, let the wind blow the aerosol away, get some outdoor heaters up. Partially covered seating. Simple stuff.

Place i was in saturday, wouldve happily sat outside, but pissed up effing and jeffing cock put me right off

Also, im not sure a tent should be classed as outside anyway

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I was referring to zicos post about bringing the army in to enforce rules. Rules that have been enforced anyway imo.

 

So maybe the issue with economy v health was allowing kids and students to go back

As in, that was a compromise too

And now it's backfired, something has to give 

It won't be schools and unis shutting that's for sure

So other than allowing it to get worse, what options do we genuinely have now to stem the spread?

Birch has given you plenty options

You dont accept them, which is fair enough

Im getting on a bit, no older relatives, chances are at least one AHM member will die in the next 5 years, could well be me

So, i  probably see it differently than folk with mums and dads etc

My kids want to take their chances and while im more cautious, treading water is  no good for me

Van Tam saying life without Covaids isn't going away even with a vaccine. 

Joy 

Anyway midday deadline for mcr

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

Birch has given you plenty options

You dont accept them, which is fair enough

Im getting on a bit, no older relatives, chances are at least one AHM member will die in the next 5 years, could well be me

So, i  probably see it differently than folk with mums and dads etc

My kids want to take their chances and while im more cautious, treading water is  no good for me

Maybe I've missed them but it seems to me he along with many others say keeping businesses open first, then worry about healthcare second

I don't agree with that, but i think it could be done to a fair degree if we looked to stem the spread with a better degree of compliance, even if it's just one percent

I don't see how allowing or encouraging it to spread helps us beat this and get back on track

Might as well send everyone back to offices to keep the parts of the economy that rely on commuters and office workers to thrive, because that's on its arse too

And I'll say it again, August was fine by me, most of our needs were dealt with, and a cautious steady approach to reopening would've served us better to getting back in stadiums for sports and gigs

Fact is, we went in too late, too soft, and came out too early, and haven't got on top of it since

But personally I'm not willing to give up on those most likely to affected by it just yet

Edited October 19, 20205 yr by ZicoKelly

16 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Van Tam saying life without Covaids isn't going away even with a vaccine. 

Joy 

Link?

14 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Maybe I've missed them but it seems to me he along with many others say keeping businesses open first, then worry about healthcare second

I don't agree with that, but i think it could be done to a fair degree if we looked to stem the spread with a better degree of compliance, even if it's just one percent

I don't see how allowing or encouraging it to spread helps us beat this and get back on track

Might as well send everyone back to offices to keep the parts of the economy that rely on commuters and office workers to thrive, because that's on its arse too

 

im in making luxury goods

Daughters in teaching

Wifes in making folk better but only if its fucking covid

Lads at work too

 

So yeah, get everybody in 

Then theyll maybe agree how dismal this life is

 

 

(Tbh if i could do an away or 6, id be fine   )

 

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Link?

Valance even... Not van Tam 

Sir Patrick Vallance warns Covid-19 will never go away https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8856233/Sir-Patrick-Vallance-warns-Covid-19-never-away.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

We ain't getting back to 2019. 

Deal with it or fold is where loads of businesses will be at soon. 

Deal with it or dole will be the choice millions end up with soon. 

Fun times. 

22 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Van Tam saying life without Covaids isn't going away even with a vaccine. 

Joy 

It'll be much better though. We live with other diseases and vaccines help a massive amount. My NHS mate says there's 1.6 million vaccines on order for delivery, 26th December. No idea if this is NHS in total or just NW. It's 2nd hand info though, from a mutual mate, not the sharpest tool  I'll get clarification.

14 minutes ago, stevieb said:

We ain't getting back to 2019. 

Deal with it or fold is where loads of businesses will be at soon. 

Deal with it or dole will be the choice millions end up with soon. 

Fun times. 

We’ve learned to live with flu and there’s a vaccine.

Be reet.

 

38 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Anyway midday deadline for mcr

What’s the ultimatum?

42 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Maybe I've missed them but it seems to me he along with many others say keeping businesses open first, then worry about healthcare second

I don't agree with that, but i think it could be done to a fair degree if we looked to stem the spread with a better degree of compliance, even if it's just one percent

I don't see how allowing or encouraging it to spread helps us beat this and get back on track

Might as well send everyone back to offices to keep the parts of the economy that rely on commuters and office workers to thrive, because that's on its arse too

And I'll say it again, August was fine by me, most of our needs were dealt with, and a cautious steady approach to reopening would've served us better to getting back in stadiums for sports and gigs

Fact is, we went in too late, too soft, and came out too early, and haven't got on top of it since

But personally I'm not willing to give up on those most likely to affected by it just yet

With hindsight, we would have locked the doors early and done a Taiwan. That ships sailed, Chorley has had more cases than Taiwan. 

With hindsight, were we right to lockdown in Spring? I thought so originally, we put 25% of the UK’s workforce on furlough, paid directly by the tax payer, what for? We seem to be right back where we started and are about to do the same thing all over again. How many times will it be acceptable to keep doing the same thing over and over again before it gets called out for being a shit approach? 

The office for budget responsibility said that we are course to spunk £400bn on Covid this fiscal year. Put another way, we could have given the 15m people in the vulnerable groups £10,000 each (£150bn total) to lock themselves down for 12 months and wed have still saved ourselves £250bn (nearly two years total NHS budget with over 1m staff to pay) 

The money spent on this is mind boggling and we don’t seem to be any better off than we were 6 months ago 

Edited October 19, 20205 yr by birch-chorley

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

With hindsight, we would have locked the doors early and done a Taiwan. That ships sailed, Chorley has had more cases than Taiwan. 

With hindsight, were we right to lockdown in Spring? I thought so originally, we put 25% of the UK’s workforce on furlough, paid directly by the tax payer, what for? We seem to be right back where we started and are about to do the same thing all over again. How many times will it be acceptable to keep doing the same thing over and over again before it gets called out for being a shit approach? 

The office for budget responsibility said that we are course to spunk £400bn on Covid this fiscal year. Put another way, we could have given the 15m people in the vulnerable groups £10,000 each (£150bn total) to lock themselves down for 12 months and wed have still saved ourselves £250bn (nearly two years NHS budget) 

The money spent on this is mind boggling and we don’t seem to be any better off than we were 6 months ago 

I said from day one

Put the oldies out of harms way at the seaside - on us, we’ll pay - let us just get on with it.

Be gone by now 

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

With hindsight, we would have locked the doors early and done a Taiwan. That ships sailed, Chorley has had more cases than Taiwan. 

With hindsight, were we right to lockdown in Spring? I thought so originally, we put 25% of the UK’s workforce on furlough, paid directly by the tax payer, what for? We seem to be right back where we started and are about to do the same thing all over again. How many times will it be acceptable to keep doing the same thing over and over again before it gets called out for being a shit approach? 

The office for budget responsibility said that we are course to spunk £400bn on Covid this fiscal year. Put another way, we could have given the 15m people in the vulnerable groups £10,000 each (£150bn total) to lock themselves down for 12 months and wed have still saved ourselves £250bn (nearly two years NHS budget) 

The money spent on this is mind boggling and we don’t seem to be any better off than we were 6 months ago 

The govmt and Sage think tens of thousands more would have died in Spring,  directly and indirectly, if we didn't reduce the amount of contacts by shutting down in the way we did. 

They think the same now. 

I think the worst case scenario was that 500k would die 

£400bn spent divided by 500k = £800k per oldie that’s been saved 

But 50k of them have died anyway (and counting) 

let’s say we end up saving 300k lives, what are we into, £1.5m per person saved 

I recon my grandad would do himself in if you offered him 1 and a half large 

You can save a hell of a lot more lives for £400bn surely, spent on clean water in Africa I recon you’d save millions 

Edit - just had a look on the Wateraid website, 2.5m die each year in Africa due to poor water supplies, mainly kids! I bet £400bn would sort that out, wed save 25m people over the next 10 years 

 

Edited October 19, 20205 yr by birch-chorley

Let folk die but try and keep numbers down by asking the sensible parts of society to remain sensible and that way we keep the economy alive  it’s the only way sadly 

Just now, Escobarp said:

Let folk die but try and keep numbers down by asking the sensible parts of society to remain sensible and that way we keep the economy alive  it’s the only way sadly 

And punish severely cunts who blatantly break the rules. 

What I don't understand is that every country appears to be doing their own thing. What the fcuk are WHO doing, shouldn't they be guiding on a global scale, I thought they had the best brains, it's  total fcukfest

16 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I think the worst case scenario was that 500k would die 

£400bn spent divided by 500k = £800k per oldie that’s been saved 

But 50k of them have died anyway (and counting) 

let’s say we end up saving 300k lives, what are we into, £1.5m per person saved 

I recon my grandad would do himself in if you offered him 1 and a half large 

You can save a hell of a lot more lives for £400bn surely, spent on clean water in Africa I recon you’d save millions 

Edit - just had a look on the Wateraid website, 2.5m die each year in Africa due to poor water supplies, mainly kids! I bet £400bn would sort that out, wed save 25m people over the next 10 years 

 

Grandad

Fucking grandad?

He must be well over a ton

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Grandad

Fucking grandad?

He must be well over a ton

A smidge over 80 thank you very much 

He’s lost a third of his body weight earlier on this year, something to do with gallstones, needs an operation apparently but fuck knows when that will be. Barely been able to see a specialist with the NHS so focussed on Covid, bad timing I suppose 

24 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I think the worst case scenario was that 500k would die 

£400bn spent divided by 500k = £800k per oldie that’s been saved 

But 50k of them have died anyway (and counting) 

let’s say we end up saving 300k lives, what are we into, £1.5m per person saved 

I recon my grandad would do himself in if you offered him 1 and a half large 

You can save a hell of a lot more lives for £400bn surely, spent on clean water in Africa I recon you’d save millions 

Edit - just had a look on the Wateraid website, 2.5m die each year in Africa due to poor water supplies, mainly kids! I bet £400bn would sort that out, wed save 25m people over the next 10 years 

 

Letting people die and get ill costs too. 

And people would have stopped going to work, school  shops off their own back, and the economy is also affected by international circumstances. It would still have been fucked over.