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[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Rudy said:

It shouldn’t be political 

It had been since day one though eh. Point scoring and now it’s just like a playground scrap between them.
 

boris enforces it he’s a bully and people will rebel. He says crack on he doesn’t care and will have blood on his hands. He can’t win. People keep praising burnham but I can’t see why but it’s all about opinions  

[jules_darby]

23 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

It had been since day one though eh. Point scoring and now it’s just like a playground scrap between them.
 

boris enforces it he’s a bully and people will rebel. He says crack on he doesn’t care and will have blood on his hands. He can’t win. People keep praising burnham but I can’t see why but it’s all about opinions  

So why are the local Tory MP’s and some Tory back benchers behind Burnham? I do not believe this is simply posturing and I’m fully behind him.

The govt have delivered messages through the media rather than directly so if you’re gonna sling shit let’s do it all over 

[Zico]

54 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Strangely, with the exception of Germany (who aren't having it completely problem free) no nation in the European Union have got on top of the virus and everyone has their own struggles with it.

In particular, the bigger countries. 

Thankfully their showers are negotiating on the other side.

no, but still, I guess it's a balancing act, and they've not managed to really tip either of the scales in their favour

as in

those that think economy over health would see this as a mess

and those that think health over economy would see this as a mess

pretty much most of their decisions, IMO, perhaps up until this tier 3 nonsense, have always put the economy first, in particular schools and unis, and it's just made it worse

I don't think there's any definitive right or wrong answer (other than crack on, which is wrong), I wouldn't want to make the decisions put it that way

however, I've lost any faith that this government can lead us to better days, am not political point scoring either, as I don't feel like I'm one up or anything

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

So why are the local Tory MP’s and some Tory back benchers behind Burnham? I do not believe this is simply posturing and I’m fully behind him.

The govt have delivered messages through the media rather than directly so if you’re gonna sling shit let’s do it all over 

Who’s slinging shit? 
 

and it’s your right to be behind him same as anyone else or people who have a different opinion . I’m fortunate that I don’t have to live there and like I’ve said above there has been no begging bowl and limited politics with all the parties up here being generally in agreement about the restrictions that have been imposed. 
 

I personally think it is wrong that people should be demanding handouts above and beyond of what is being given consistently across the uk or effectively not playing ball. It’s not how I see the country should be ran and I’m glad as I say that I don’t have to be a part of it. 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Morizio said:

Maybe something as to how the messages have been delivered in Scotland. Sturgeon has to me, come across very clear. 
 

Have you seen/heard the Janey Godley sketches following the briefings?

Frank, get the door, I've got some hummus with dips fer lunch.

[gonzo]

56 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Who’s slinging shit? 
 

and it’s your right to be behind him same as anyone else or people who have a different opinion . I’m fortunate that I don’t have to live there and like I’ve said above there has been no begging bowl and limited politics with all the parties up here being generally in agreement about the restrictions that have been imposed. 
 

I personally think it is wrong that people should be demanding handouts above and beyond of what is being given consistently across the uk or effectively not playing ball. It’s not how I see the country should be ran and I’m glad as I say that I don’t have to be a part of it. 

Id say the use of the phrase begging bowl insinuates they are doing something wrong ala shit slinging.

Lets not forget GM have been under restrictions longer than anyone else.

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Strange thing about this whole government/Burnham stand off is that Edinburgh and the whole central belt have almost been in tier 3 for 10days now and we’ve just got on with it. No begging bowl seeking a pay off. No spat all over Social media. Nobody trying to champion the selves as a man/woman of the people to further their own political career. We’ve just got on with it. Heads down crack on. 
 

speaks volumes really 
 

 

i doubt that is accurate

 

Sturgeon's folly will be funded all of the UK

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Who’s slinging shit? 
 

and it’s your right to be behind him same as anyone else or people who have a different opinion . I’m fortunate that I don’t have to live there and like I’ve said above there has been no begging bowl and limited politics with all the parties up here being generally in agreement about the restrictions that have been imposed. 
 

I personally think it is wrong that people should be demanding handouts above and beyond of what is being given consistently across the uk or effectively not playing ball. It’s not how I see the country should be ran and I’m glad as I say that I don’t have to be a part of it. 

Sturgeon offered businesses a financial support package when measures were introduced ealier this month, didn't she?

And in any event, many businesses in Greater Manchester have been operating under effectively Tier 2 / Tier3 restrictions for longer.

[gonzo]

Hotelliers in Blackpool currently staging a protest at gynn sqaure after being left in limbo by the new tier system.

 

Socialist pigs

[Cheese]

Handing out multi-billion pound (tax-payer funded) contracts to your rich relatives and mates - who have no recorded experience in those industries - is all fine and dandy, but when normal working people ask for support when you want to shut their businesses down - that's them "holding out a begging bowl". Tory Britain. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Cheese

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, bolton_blondie said:

Had the dreaded isolation text from daughters school. Shes 6 so obviously I have to be off with her. Work have kindly told me I have to use Annual leave or take unpaid leave. Cheers NHS, I've cancelled annual leave when needed, work extra when asked. I've put myself and my family in danger with your shit PPE and this is how I'm repaid when I need help. Some people have been off 4 times on full pay when waiting for covid results to get back (they where taking the piss and the bosses new this) im so fucked off. 

Who's told you that? Doesn't sound right to me. Have you had a word with HR?

[bolton_blondie]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Who's told you that? Doesn't sound right to me. Have you had a word with HR?

Line manager. I'm speaking to unison. Whatever use they are

[Horwich]

Tier 3 support ok for Adlington (Lancashire)

Tier 3 support not ok for Horwich (Gtr Mcr)

Stop playing politics you bell ends

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said:

Line manager. I'm speaking to unison. Whatever use they are

HR are really good. Sometimes the Line Managers misinterpret things. 

If you've no annual leave to take (based on where you are in the year pro-rata) - then they sometimes let you take it as emergency leave. If you have annual to take (based on where you are in the year pro-rata) but that's because you've cancelled a load to meet service demand - then it seems pretty unreasonable to not allow you to take it as emergency leave.

Does that make any sense?

[MickyD]

13 hours ago, Spider said:

What’s the ultimatum?

Probably do it or we’ll discuss things further.

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Empty your inbox pal, or check the shares, £75million order confirmed 👍 

That's not strictly true, no order has been confirmed as of yet, Abingdon have a £75M contract, but no firm delivery request dates as far as I can tell  -  so pretty much a call off order, of which the first £1M was called on the other week. Either way, even when it is called off Omega won't be getting the full 100% of it

I guess that's why the share price isn't moving much yet. I'm not saying it won't, but I wouldn't be getting remotely excited about this particular bit of news

[Escobarp]

25 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Sturgeon offered businesses a financial support package when measures were introduced ealier this month, didn't she?

And in any event, many businesses in Greater Manchester have been operating under effectively Tier 2 / Tier3 restrictions for longer.

She’s given them What the uk government have given by way of job retention scheme plus ability to apply for repayable grant funding. That’s it.  
 

also we came out of restrictions much later so I think you will find that “been locked down longer argument” is null and void 

[Escobarp]

32 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

i doubt that is accurate

 

Sturgeon's folly will be funded all of the UK

Which part of what I’ve said isn’t accurate? Please enlighten me 

[Guest]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Which part of what I’ve said isn’t accurate? Please enlighten me 

the no begging bowl bit

 

She wouldn't have been able to shut down with a financial ok from the UK govt

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

the no begging bowl bit

 

She wouldn't have been able to shut down with a financial ok from the UK govt

She has the same financial support as was always on the table. She has not been asked to lockdown by the UK government she decided it was right for the country and has done so. She asked and I believe was granted some flexibility on what she could provide by way of support but was told that was to come from existing budgets/support which is what she’s done as far as I’m aware although I could be wrong 

so I believe that if you ate trying to compare her to burnhams begging bowl then I think your way adrift. 

[Escobarp]

Playing with a public health emergency is what is currently happening in some parts of the UK

[jules_darby]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Playing with a public health emergency is what is currently happening in some parts of the UK

By the corrupt and inept govt - yes

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

She has the same financial support as was always on the table. She has not been asked to lockdown by the UK government she decided it was right for the country and has done so. She asked and I believe was granted some flexibility on what she could provide by way of support but was told that was to come from existing budgets/support which is what she’s done as far as I’m aware although I could be wrong 

so I believe that if you ate trying to compare her to burnhams begging bowl then I think your way adrift. 

And if she was in burnhams position she would have gone to tier 3 and fought the battle from there. I’m far from her biggest fan but she would have done it to me in the right way. Using people’s lives as leverage doesn’t sit right with me. Which given he’s a supporter of a full lockdown is what he’s doing. But good luck to him and all those he has jurisdiction over 

[Escobarp]

Just now, jules_darby said:

By the corrupt and inept govt - yes

If you say so. Your opinion.
 

Burnham is equally culpable in this situation. he’s playing with it and that’s upto him. And upto you to support it. As is your free will. 

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

She has the same financial support as was always on the table. She has not been asked to lockdown by the UK government she decided it was right for the country and has done so. She asked and I believe was granted some flexibility on what she could provide by way of support but was told that was to come from existing budgets/support which is what she’s done as far as I’m aware although I could be wrong 

so I believe that if you ate trying to compare her to burnhams begging bowl then I think your way adrift. 

Hmmm when it’s all over, I’ve no doubt she will be begging for more support from U.K. government, let’s hope that when they do get a referendum that it is remembered by the Scottish voters.  

Edited October 20, 2020 by Mounts Kipper