Coronavirus

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Moon boy said:

Like everyone else I don’t know but, Bolton’s current rate is 121 per 100,000 was it free ale in Henighans

The worst ten towns in the country are within a ten mile radius of Bolton, why?

If you look back to the infection rates at the beginning of lockdown, the NW was a few weeks behind London and West mids, the other most densely populated areas.

However, when we came out of lockdown, the NW had the highest deaths, for weeks after. 

I think its more likely to be that we've had a larger pool of infections circulating  in the NW and now that circumstances have become better for spread,  the rates have jumped. 

It's been poorer, overcrowded areas all the way through, that seem to have had the brunt of it.

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, only1swanny said:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/more-thousand-pupils-isolating-after-18893706

 

Grim..

Shut up and get to work you lazy bastard. 

[only1swanny]

3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Shut up and get to work you lazy bastard. 

Sorry Boris 

[Escobarp]

What did people actually expect when schools went back? Can’t be many actually surprised at this surely? 

[Guest]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-rna-testing-assurance-of-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence/assurance-of-sars-cov-2-rna-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence

[Zico]

7 hours ago, Escobarp said:

What did people actually expect when schools went back? Can’t be many actually surprised at this surely? 

The expectation was kids go back, everyone goes back to work, the economy recovers

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

The expectation was kids go back, everyone goes back to work, the economy recovers

And folk believed there wouldn’t be a huge rise in transmission cases between kids? Really? 

[Spider]

People under 40 simply weren’t being tested 3 months ago like they are now.

Lockdown was to protect the NHS. As it stands, the NHS is virtually empty.

Based on no evidence, just a hunch, I think we’ll be ok but as I’ve said all along, the oldies just have to accept that they may need to make some sacrifices from now on if the economy is to survive.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

And folk believed there wouldn’t be a huge rise in transmission cases between kids? Really? 

Isn’t it too early for the numbers to include transmission from kids as they only went back mid last week?

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Isn’t it too early for the numbers to include transmission from kids as they only went back mid last week?

In England maybe 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

In England maybe 

Yes, I was focusing on England.

interesting that numbers are up up there.

She might not be looking so chipper soon

[Boby Brno]

Looking at cases throughout Europe every country is seeing an increase as lockdown eases. France, Spain and the Czech Republic are all recording cases higher than their peak. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Shut up and get to work you lazy bastard. 

Precautuons put in place working. Kids home to isolate. What did you expect, no cases or those exposed to carry on regardless?

Perhaps if some of these kids and their parents behaves themselves better, cases would be lower in the first instance. 

Always someone else's fault.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

56 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

The expectation was kids go back, everyone goes back to work, the economy recovers

Nah. Not one bit.

Its a start, a gentle one. One that's being replicated all over the developed world. Inevitably cases will rise. Where necessary back into restrictions. 

Going to be like this until a vaccine.

[Nobster]

So we have now done 7 days of this quarantine, not a big issue as I can work from home and we did an online shop. The problem I see with the system is that we were in a small village in the Alps there has not been any reported cases of Covid 19 within 50 miles, we drive there and use Eurotunnel for the crossing so have virtually no contact with anybody during the journey, yet on our return we have to self isolate for 14 days. Some friends of our have just returned one family from the Algarve and the other from Greece both flew Ryanair, pictures on Facebook of them in bars and restaurants and on the beach most days, both Greece and Portugal are on the verge of going back on the naughty step yet neither had to quarantine on their return it was just back to normal while I can get fined £1,000 for taking the dog a walk at 6am when there is nobody else around. I know who I think is the biggest risk and this is why the system is flawed.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Certainly not perfect Nobster, but when folk go abroad they know this is the risk.

If it kicks off again big style, no one will be going anywhere. 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Nobster said:

So we have now done 7 days of this quarantine, not a big issue as I can work from home and we did an online shop. The problem I see with the system is that we were in a small village in the Alps there has not been any reported cases of Covid 19 within 50 miles, we drive there and use Eurotunnel for the crossing so have virtually no contact with anybody during the journey, yet on our return we have to self isolate for 14 days. Some friends of our have just returned one family from the Algarve and the other from Greece both flew Ryanair, pictures on Facebook of them in bars and restaurants and on the beach most days, both Greece and Portugal are on the verge of going back on the naughty step yet neither had to quarantine on their return it was just back to normal while I can get fined £1,000 for taking the dog a walk at 6am when there is nobody else around. I know who I think is the biggest risk and this is why the system is flawed.

I read 3 folk been prosecuted, use common sense taking your dog for a walk, highly unlikely you’ll be prosecuted. 

[Escobarp]

32 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Yes, I was focusing on England.

interesting that numbers are up up there.

She might not be looking so chipper soon

She’s looking more and more haggered by the day. The stress is starting to tell that’s for sure. The mask is slipping as well and she’s starting to show her true colours more and more. 
 

but credit where credit is due she has handled it much better than boris has 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I read 3 folk been prosecuted, use common sense taking your dog for a walk, highly unlikely you’ll be prosecuted. 

Only problem is not everyone else is using common sense. 

[mickbrown]

20 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Precautuons put in place working. Kids home to isolate. What did you expect, no cases or those exposed to carry on regardless?

Perhaps if some of these kids and their parents behaves themselves better, cases would be lower in the first instance. 

Always someone else's fault.

Says the man who works outside all day.
 

Won’t be Swanny’s fault if he catches it. Won’t be my nippers fault if she catches it. 

[peelyfeet]

13 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Looking at cases throughout Europe every country is seeing an increase as lockdown eases. France, Spain and the Czech Republic are all recording cases higher than their peak. 

If it gets out of hand and we see big rises in hospitalisations,  and then deaths a few weeks later, lockdown version 2 will kick in.

If we get it under control before that happens, and make it to vaccine in a few months, happy days.

I fear we are heading for lockdown 2. Some folk just don't give a shit, some are ignorant, some think it's gone and some believe its a hoax/over-reaction/economy is more important.

I went to kids football training last night, parents from Bolton there, all mixing, no masks, no distancing. Nobody said anything to them.

My Kids say loads of pupils not wearing masks in between lessons. Teachers not enforcing.

Shops full of non mask wearers. 

My 76yr old dad thinks its a load of bollocks 

My 40yr old brother thinks its a big pharma conspiracy 

Blokes on the directors board I'm on, are much more focused on profitably instead of safety.

Sigh. I think its inevitable. 

In perspective, its probable that at the height of infection, we were experiencing over 50k cases a day, we are at 3k now, so still way behind, and I doubt we'll get anywhere near 50k again, but I think lockdown 2 is on the cards for Oct/Nov.

Hope I'm wrong.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

She’s looking more and more haggered by the day. The stress is starting to tell that’s for sure. The mask is slipping as well and she’s starting to show her true colours more and more. 
 

but credit where credit is due she has handled it much better than boris has 

Its becoming apparent that conurbations are the places more at risk. Not surprising really. 

Higher proportion of cunts.

Scotland and Wales have significantly fewer and a lower population density, so might have less of an issue in that regard. The same trouble within these areas though.

Entire area of Caerphilly being locked down this evening. The day after a Welsh politician was advocating their efforts.

When it comes down to it, all 4 nations have broadly similar approaches, and are experiencing broadly similar issues.

 

[Boby Brno]

Looking at the photos yesterday of parents congregating outside school gates without masks or social distancing. Common sense seems to be in short supply.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Says the man who works outside all day.
 

Won’t be Swanny’s fault if he catches it. Won’t be my nippers fault if she catches it. 

Swanny has had it.

I do work outside. My choice, if you dont want to teach, do something else.

Won't be my lad's fault if he catches it neither, but he, like most folk, understands the necessity. Its a risk of course, and in all honesty, if I felt the school wasn't following to rules, or too many scrotes were making attendance too risky, I'd pull him out.

That doesnt mean we shouldn't try.

I don't understand why you are not prepared to accept the scientific evidence- its your own child's education at the most key year of schooling.

[Zico]

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Nah. Not one bit.

Its a start, a gentle one. One that's being replicated all over the developed world. Inevitably cases will rise. Where necessary back into restrictions. 

Going to be like this until a vaccine.

Yeah, I'm well on board with our approach so far

There was a huge clamour to just crack on

I suspect we will need a plan B where schools are concerned