Coronavirus

[MickyD]

Fairly sure they’re ripping down the Nightingale Hospitals so I hope it isn’t too big a second wave.

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Fairly sure they’re ripping down the Nightingale Hospitals so I hope it isn’t too big a second wave.

In which case, if that’s true, we are saying plenty folk are going to be dying to protect the economy. Which ive said has to happen. Tough call to make but needs must. 
 

[peelyfeet]

Vitamin D pilot study shows shockingly high succes rates in hospitalised patients. 2% admitted to ICU as opposed to 50%. 

Needs a bigger trial, but I'm convinced now. 

[Tombwfc]

57 minutes ago, Casino said:

Tbf, his point is that for the same number of tests we have 3x as many positives 

I'd say its worthy of being chucked in the mix if people argue the positives are only going up cos of increased testing

Ganted, I'm not sure it proves anything other than the statement we have more positives simply due to more testing is bollocks

 

Exactly (and only) that. Cases are rising because more people are catching the virus. Pick the bones out of what it means and what should be done, but it's pretty clear that's what it is.

[stevieb]

20 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Vitamin D pilot study shows shockingly high succes rates in hospitalised patients. 2% admitted to ICU as opposed to 50%. 

Needs a bigger trial, but I'm convinced now. 

Has it only been the gingers dying in Spain, Iran and Australia? 

[peelyfeet]

Just now, stevieb said:

Has it only been the gingers dying in Spain, Iran and Australia? 

Gingers metabolise Vit D better than anyone else. It's the opposite. 

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Gingers metabolise Vit D better than anyone else. It's the opposite. 

Does that mean the Mrs is safe? 

She burns in 10 minutes of spring sunshine... 🤣 

[peelyfeet]

5 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Does that mean the Mrs is safe? 

She burns in 10 minutes of spring sunshine... 🤣 

Leave her in the sun for 9 mins a day. She'll be reet.

https://medium.com/@shinjieyong/the-first-clinical-trial-to-support-vitamin-d-therapy-for-covid-19-906a9d907468?s=09

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

28 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Leave her in the sun for 9 mins a day. She'll be reet.

https://medium.com/@shinjieyong/the-first-clinical-trial-to-support-vitamin-d-therapy-for-covid-19-906a9d907468?s=09

It certainly sounds hugely promising. Is this not a bit of an issue, though?

"The only difference is that the control group had a higher prevalence of hypertension than the calcifediol group (57.69% vs. 24.19%)."

[jayjayoghani]

Well known vitamin D is good for the immune system so not a total surprise.

I'd be taking supplements in the UK if I was there i.e. before winter 

[Not in Crawley]

9 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

Vitamin D pilot study shows shockingly high succes rates in hospitalised patients. 2% admitted to ICU as opposed to 50%. 

Needs a bigger trial, but I'm convinced now. 

We've been taking supplements for about three years, Mrs is convinced of the health benefits - especially fighting off colds etc

 

[peelyfeet]

9 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It certainly sounds hugely promising. Is this not a bit of an issue, though?

"The only difference is that the control group had a higher prevalence of hypertension than the calcifediol group (57.69% vs. 24.19%)."

Certainly would be better if it was more even. The control group was half the size of the experimental, so both had similar numbers of patients with hypertension, but the experimental 3 times more without. If you dismissed 2/3 of those without, the figures would  be 4% vs 50% admitted to icu, so still a v big differential. 

[Spider]

So give everyone free vitamin D supps and crack on?

Happy with that.

[peelyfeet]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

So give everyone free vitamin D supps and crack on?

Happy with that.

Or have an advertising campaign highlighting the benefits. You can buy a years supply from tesco for £14

 

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Or have an advertising campaign highlighting the benefits. You can buy a years supply from tesco for £14

 

If the government give them away free with cheap cider and frozen pizzas, we can make sure they get to those who seem to need it most.

[Morizio]

5 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Or have an advertising campaign highlighting the benefits. You can buy a years supply from tesco for £14

 

How long before it’s used to be able to buy a years supply for £14?

[Morizio]

11 hours ago, Escobarp said:

In which case, if that’s true, we are saying plenty folk are going to be dying to protect the economy. Which ive said has to happen. Tough call to make but needs must. 
 

Life v the economy 

I’d choose life 

[jayjayoghani]

You can also get Vitamin D from that big orange circle in the sky. If you lot ever see it. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Morizio said:

Life v the economy 

I’d choose life 

Can't have one without the other unfortunately. Has to be a balance between the two.

[Zico]

28 minutes ago, Morizio said:

Life v the economy 

I’d choose life 

 

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Can't have one without the other unfortunately. Has to be a balance between the two.

I'd go with life too, economys recover, dead people don't

and it's not just deaths either, few posts on here over the weekend show it can be debiltating for younger folk too both short and long term

I get the balance, that's why we've been having regional lockdowns

people just need to stop screeching about it being over, not that bad, not affecting anyone they know etc

I suspect plenty would happily crack on in ignorance till it affects them in some way

not fer me

[Tonge moor green jacket]

37 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

 

I'd go with life too, economys recover, dead people don't

and it's not just deaths either, few posts on here over the weekend show it can be debiltating for younger folk too both short and long term

I get the balance, that's why we've been having regional lockdowns

people just need to stop screeching about it being over, not that bad, not affecting anyone they know etc

I suspect plenty would happily crack on in ignorance till it affects them in some way

not fer me

Not disputing that, just that an economy that collapses may start to run out of resources to deal with the pandemic. Looking at a report of Beirut the other day; Frightening what a disfunctional system can bring about.

I do think we're seeing a change in behaviour that's going to hit some industries for a very long time, if not permanently, and need to get these people working elsewhere as soon as possible. 

[Zico]

28 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not disputing that, just that an economy that collapses may start to run out of resources to deal with the pandemic. Looking at a report of Beirut the other day; Frightening what a disfunctional system can bring about.

I do think we're seeing a change in behaviour that's going to hit some industries for a very long time, if not permanently, and need to get these people working elsewhere as soon as possible. 

aye, but the economy is starting to open up again

kids are back in school

you can pretty much do most things you want to - you can't go the match, but you can go the pub or a restaurant, just  not with your mates in some places

you probably shouldn't go on holiday abroad, but you can go somewhere in the UK (also good for the economy)

it's not just us going through this, and it's inevitable now people will lose their jobs

but it would be foolish to just let everyone crack on - look at what happened in Breightmet when folk do their own thing

and whilst a vaccine may still be what, six months, off, well, it's six months off

in any case the economy will still be delicate by the time a vaccine is available regardless of what restrictions are in place

so lets do our best to protect as many people as we can till then rather than crack on

or, just crack on if you* want, see what happens - you'll not be able to prove you're saving the economy anyway, but you certainly could be found to have a caused an outbreak

 

*not literally you, but in genral

[Boby Brno]

With regard to the number of infections rising, it appears that hospital admissions are not following the same upward trend. 

 

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

With regard to the number of infections rising, it appears that hospital admissions are not following the same upward trend. 

 

That seems to be the case in most countries, yet every single country still seems to be shitting themselves about a second wave/spike. I know some folk on here have already said there won't be a second wave/spike, and we should simply crack on.....why do we think most governments around the globe don't think the same?

I'd expect the next significant "wave" to be once university students return back home at the end of term. Fingers crossed people still stay sensible and wear their masks and socially distance etc. I've been surprised that people are still sticking to "the rules" around here, I've not seen anybody in in a shop without a mask in several weeks now, which hopefully is why there seem to be little or no cases around these parts

[Big E]

12 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That seems to be the case in most countries, yet every single country still seems to be shitting themselves about a second wave/spike. I know some folk on here have already said there won't be a second wave/spike, and we should simply crack on.....why do we think most governments around the globe don't think the same?

I'd expect the next significant "wave" to be once university students return back home at the end of term. Fingers crossed people still stay sensible and wear their masks and socially distance etc. I've been surprised that people are still sticking to "the rules" around here, I've not seen anybody in in a shop without a mask in several weeks now, which hopefully is why there seem to be little or no cases around these parts

which is crazy given the rate in bolton