How come there isn't a thread for this ?

Is it because they've revealed their true colours, excuse the deliberate pun.

Folk were warned re their true intentions, but as always called racist by the naive.

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

yes, I don’t go to football for to be educated or made aware of the worlds injustices I go to be entertained, to escape from the problems we face in the world.

if I want to get involved I’d go to an organisation and event that supports that particular campaign, football runs a year round kick racism out campaign and that should be enough. 

Well tough shit. Sometimes we all have to make sacrifices for the greater good, sound familiar?

I’d be a bit mystified if I was one of our many Indian/Pakistani fans. For many years they have had abuse slung their way and not much seems to have been done. Some fella gets killed in the states and now all the players are kneeling. 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

I’d be a bit mystified if I was one of our many Indian/Pakistani fans. For many years they have had abuse slung their way and not much seems to have been done. Some fella gets killed in the states and now all the players are kneeling. 

You know I think a question that BLM should be asked is how they become inclusive to to other minorities. It is an obvious gap. 
Are you saying that a significant reason people are not supporting is the above ? I do not think it is. 

17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

yes, I don’t go to football for to be educated or made aware of the worlds injustices I go to be entertained, to escape from the problems we face in the world.

if I want to get involved I’d go to an organisation and event that supports that particular campaign, football runs a year round kick racism out campaign and that should be enough. 

Would you boo ? 

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’d be a bit mystified if I was one of our many Indian/Pakistani fans. For many years they have had abuse slung their way and not much seems to have been done. Some fella gets killed in the states and now all the players are kneeling. 

Taking the knee is an Anti-racism message so all ethnic minorities are covered.

Just now, Ani said:

You know I think a question that BLM should be asked is how they become inclusive to to other minorities. It is an obvious gap. 
Are you saying that a significant reason people are not supporting is the above ? I do not think it is. 

It'll be a convenient excuse for some though. Possibly.

I always thought there were very few WW posters I wouldn't share a few beers with.  This thread,  since @Rudywrote his excellent and thought provoking post I'm really not sure.  One of our own telling us his experiences and how he fears for his own children's future is being argued against? Really! 

One or two of you ought to take a long hard look at yourselves and ask if you couldn't just occasionally show a bit of humility rather than play at being "one of the lads".

When you act the prick around your mates take note; have a look around.  Do they secretly recoil in horror at your attempt at being "one of the lads"? We aren't in the 1970s any more. It's time you moved on with the majority of us. 

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

You know I think a question that BLM should be asked is how they become inclusive to to other minorities. It is an obvious gap. 
Are you saying that a significant reason people are not supporting is the above ? I do not think it is. 

People see the kneeling as support for BLM. Many have seen what the BLM movement did this summer and are therefore against it. 
 

Kick it out was for all races and religions, so why change it? 

there clearly needs to be a clear statement that taking the knee is anti-racism and not BLM, as it seems that's one of the key things that stops folk getting on board, because, everyone should be anti-racism - the events of this year understandably have mixed things up a bit due to the sequence of events - but, this year has also led folk to say "enough is enough, it's now time to make a stand"

there's still a lot of "yes, but" responses to it

so, I assume if the message is clear, most will get behind it?

and if you won't, would you still boo it, and why?

3 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I always thought there were very few WW posters I wouldn't share a few beers with.  This thread,  since @Rudywrote his excellent and thought provoking post I'm really not sure.

shame on your Micky, did you not know he was black till now?

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by ZicoKelly

2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

there clearly needs to be a clear statement that taking the knee is anti-racism and not BLM, as it seems that's one of the key things that stops folk getting on board, because, everyone should be anti-racism - the events of this year understandably have mixed things up a bit due to the sequence of events - but, this year has also led folk to say "enough is enough, it's now time to make a stand"

there's still a lot of "yes, but" responses to it

so, I assume if the message is clear, most will get behind it?

and if you won't, would you still boo it, and why?

It needs the FA, clubs, players and media to say that the kneeling in no way supports the BLM movement but is a show of solidarity to all races and religions. If they do this they may get more folk on side. 

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

People see the kneeling as support for BLM. Many have seen what the BLM movement did this summer and are therefore against it. 
 

Kick it out was for all races and religions, so why change it? 

Would you support players taking a knee if it was under the banner Kick it Out ? 
Would you currently boo BLM ? 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Would you support players taking a knee if it was under the banner Kick it Out ? 
Would you currently boo BLM ? 

My previous post covers most of that. Yes I would. Let’s kick all racism out. 
 

Instead of booing I will stand on my chair, cup my mouth so it’s louder and shout kick it out 

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

My previous post covers most of that. Yes I would. Let’s kick all racism out. 
 

Instead of booing I will stand on my chair, cup my mouth so it’s louder and shout kick it out 

Yeah they crossed. 
 

Remembering the cupping is essential. 

This isn’t about folk saying racism is ok. It’s really not. I would be disgusted if anyone on here felt racism was ok. 
 

Put the booing to one side as nobody is saying on here that they would boo or the booing is ok (I don’t think), this is about people’s perception , which they’re entitled to , about what the taking the knee gesture symbolizes and stands for. I strongly associate the gesture with the nonsense we saw in the summer and since. There isn’t anyone can tell me I’m not allowed that opinion because it’s just that , my opinion, and it’s shared by a large number of people. Given that it’s shared by so many there has to be an acceptance that the gesture to many is tainted. 
 

it’s sad in modern society that anyone should be targeted because of their skin color or race. And I absolutely applaud you @Rudy for writing that post and sharing those experiences mate. It’s sharing things like this that will

make a difference and hopefully make someone somewhere think twice. It’s about promoting awareness and positive change. It’s clear that this gesture isn’t promoting positive change, it hasn’t since it started and it won’t do either. 

4 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I always thought there were very few WW posters I wouldn't share a few beers with.  This thread,  since @Rudywrote his excellent and thought provoking post I'm really not sure.  One of our own telling us his experiences and how he fears for his own children's future is being argued against? Really! 

One or two of you ought to take a long hard look at yourselves and ask if you couldn't just occasionally show a bit of humility rather than play at being "one of the lads".

When you act the prick around your mates take note; have a look around.  Do they secretly recoil in horror at your attempt at being "one of the lads"? We aren't in the 1970s any more. It's time you moved on with the majority of us. 

Not sure who that post is aimed at but from all the posts I have read no one is arguing that racism isn’t an issue, and that kids shouldn’t have to fear for their future, and I can’t remember anyone justifying racism as just lads being lads, the issue raised is the need for players to take the knee at every match for ever going forward, the issue is that BLM are part of a wider anti police, anti government, anarchic and ultra left wing organisation, one that trashed shops & businesses across the US and trashed monuments and rioted over summer here in the U.K. wrongly or rightly Millwall fans took the knee as support of those actions and the only way they could vent those frustrations was booing taking the knee. 

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

This isn’t about folk saying racism is ok. It’s really not. I would be disgusted if anyone on here felt racism was ok. 
 

Put the booing to one side as nobody is saying on here that they would boo or the booing is ok (I don’t think), this is about people’s perception , which they’re entitled to , about what the taking the knee gesture symbolizes and stands for. I strongly associate the gesture with the nonsense we saw in the summer and since. There isn’t anyone can tell me I’m not allowed that opinion because it’s just that , my opinion, and it’s shared by a large number of people. Given that it’s shared by so many there has to be an acceptance that the gesture to many is tainted. 
 

it’s sad in modern society that anyone should be targeted because of their skin color or race. And I absolutely applaud you @Rudy for writing that post and sharing those experiences mate. It’s sharing things like this that will

make a difference and hopefully make someone somewhere think twice. It’s about promoting awareness and positive change. It’s clear that this gesture isn’t promoting positive change, it hasn’t since it started and it won’t do either. 

Wanderers84 said he'd boo. With cupped hands no less. For a least a minute. He must have lungs like bellows

Just now, Farrelli said:

Taking the knee is an Anti-racism message so all ethnic minorities are covered.

When the players first took the knee. Some had BLM badges.

A political statement .

 

 

19 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

there clearly needs to be a clear statement that taking the knee is anti-racism and not BLM, as it seems that's one of the key things that stops folk getting on board, because, everyone should be anti-racism - the events of this year understandably have mixed things up a bit due to the sequence of events - but, this year has also led folk to say "enough is enough, it's now time to make a stand"

there's still a lot of "yes, but" responses to it

so, I assume if the message is clear, most will get behind it?

and if you won't, would you still boo it, and why?

This 

I’d go as far to say that currently it’s really unclear what they are taking the knee in support of, multiple mainstream news outlets have come out and stated that the Millwall fans were booing players who were taking the knee in support of the BLM movement 

If journalists from reputable news outlets have got the reasons behind it wrong then that’s going to misinform many millions of people 

As things stand the players aren’t supporting the BLM movement but many people think they are doing, clarity on the matter would go along way to ending the division 

Hopefully the move by QPR and Millwall to   wear ‘kick it out’ T shirts and link arms rather than kneel will really help differentiate it. Let’s hope all the media can report it that way to help end the misunderstanding 

 

36 minutes ago, Ani said:

Would you boo ? 

I’ll just stay downstairs until it’s all done, if it continues I’m most likely finished, I’ll go cycling & walking instead. 

Edited December 8, 20205 yr by Mounts Kipper

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ll just stay downstairs until it’s all done, if it continues I’m most likely finished, I’ll go cycling & walking instead. 

So the total commercialisation of the game , the moving of kick off time and dates to suit television , the millions being spent on agents, the sanitisation of the match day experience, tickets prices going through the roof all of those you have continued to support the club. But players taking a knee for 5 seconds whilst you are finishing your pint will force you to stop going the match ?  

17 minutes ago, embankment said:

When the players first took the knee. Some had BLM badges.

A political statement .

 

 

It has evolved though. In September PL players started to wear the 'No room for racism' sleeve badge replacing the BLM one. It is clear to me that taking the knee is an anti-racism message but clearly some clarification is required by the football authorities.

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It has evolved though. In September PL players started to wear the 'No room for racism' sleeve badge replacing the BLM one. It is clear to me that taking the knee is an anti-racism message but clearly some clarification is required by the football authorities.

Taking the knee will always be tarred with the BLM brush. 

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Taking the knee will always be tarred with the BLM brush. 

So if they stood with clenched fist raised and announced that this is the Kick it Out you’d be happy?

39 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

wrongly or rightly Millwall fans took the knee as support of those actions and the only way they could vent those frustrations was booing taking the knee. 

Wish they'd make their minds up. The fucking cockney honkeys! 🙂