How come there isn't a thread for this ?

Is it because they've revealed their true colours, excuse the deliberate pun.

Folk were warned re their true intentions, but as always called racist by the naive.

11 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Except they’re not

https://blacklivesmatter.uk

BLM U.K. distanced itself from all that months ago

Damage is done for me with that brand 

If a splinter group distance themselves from Britain First but still call themselves Britain First, but claim to be supporting something completely different, non political and harmless then I’d still be telling them to fuck off as well 

If BLMUK really wanted to distance themselves then they would change their name, make it more relevant for the UK, include other groups who have experienced racism over here like Asians etc 

Something tells me Millwall fans would be happy to see their side lose so long as they could take pride in making twats out of themselves like that. Bunch of weirdos.

It's not even associated with BLM anymore it's just general anti-racism. Imagine being against that.

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Likewise 

If you think the people booing were doing so because they believe Black peoples Lives don’t matter then you need to start listening to their personal reasons for why they booed 

What about maybe listening to the players personal reasons for taking the knee?

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Likewise 

If you think the people booing were doing so because they believe Black peoples Lives don’t matter then you need to start listening to their personal reasons for why they booed 

Exaclty this.

 

Just now, kent_white said:

What about maybe listening to the players personal reasons for taking the knee?

Or the others that dont.

Theres plenty of them.

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Or the others that dont.

Theres plenty of them.

 

18 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It just doesnt serve a single purpose anymore. 

Its not going to make anyone less racist. Itll have the opposite effect.

Weve just had a summer of riots ffs. The awareness is there in its abundance.

We are all aware now of the apparent problems in the game and society. It really doesnt need to happen anymore.

Nobody should be taking a knee for anyone. Actions are what needed not empty gestures that do more harm than good.

 

 

 

I agree actions are more important than empty gestures 

But if that’s the issue, is that boo worthy?

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Likewise 

If you think the people booing were doing so because they believe Black peoples Lives don’t matter then you need to start listening to their personal reasons for why they booed 

I'de be the first to agree that people need to listen to each other more.

I also haven't accused those who booed of being racist or thinking black people don't matter. You've gone & put those words right in my mouth. I just think the booing is a cuntish/misguided thing to do.

You've claimed multiple times taking the knee is a gesture of support for extreme politics. The reality is very different and the section of Millwall fans who booed clearly haven't made any effort to engage with their players.

I agree with Gonzo & Rudy to an extent that it's not achieved much. But it was never going to , it was always just a sign of support.

The extent to which it offends people is a joke. Bunch of snowflakes. 

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

What you on about? We've already established that racism isn't a problem over here. And when it happens it's always a minority who are swiftly dealt with.👮

p.s - not sure they're sarf London accents singing that ...

 

Of course racism is a problem 

However systemic racism isn’t holding our the non white population back from achievement in this country. Chinese & Indian groups outperform both Black and White considerably in almost all measures, that’s evidence enough that skin colour doesn’t hold anyone back economically in the U.K. 

The whole BLM movement for me seems to be about the system not working, capitalism, family units, education, justice etc etc 

I firmly believe that’s bollocks in the U.K. 

 

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Or the others that dont.

Theres plenty of them.

Fine by me - either way I wouldn't be booing anybody.

2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

 

I agree actions are more important than empty gestures 

But if that’s the issue, is that boo worthy?

Aye cant say Id be booing. 

Wouldnt be going down on one knee either. 

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Damage is done for me with that brand 

If a splinter group distance themselves from Britain First but still call themselves Britain First, but claim to be supporting something completely different, non political and harmless then I’d still be telling them to fuck off as well 

If BLMUK really wanted to distance themselves then they would change their name, make it more relevant for the UK, include other groups who have experienced racism over here like Asians etc 

I totally agree re support for Asians etc

No issue with that at all

Not sure booing the players helps that 

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Aye cant say Id be booing. 

Wouldnt be going down on one knee either. 

Which is fair enough 

I’d take the knee for no man personally. Frankly I think we’d be better doing the opposite as symbolism  and wanting folk to rise up rather than act subjugated 

But it was take from Kaepernick and seemed an easy gesture to support peers - I really can’t see how it’s more deep rooted than that; and booing 20 something year old lads for doing it is bonkers for me

I’d not boo someone that didn’t do it

So quick question for those that believe those who boo it are racists. 
 

are those players who also stand against this gesture and refuse to take the knee also racist by your definition? 

7 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

I totally agree re support for Asians etc

No issue with that at all

Not sure booing the players helps that 

Many won’t be booing the players though 

Nor will they be booing because they think that Black lives don’t matter 

Just like many of the players may not support the political element of BLM 

17 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Likewise 

If you think the people booing were doing so because they believe Black peoples Lives don’t matter then you need to start listening to their personal reasons for why they booed 

I reckon there were quite a few in there yesterday who don't give a fuck about black people. Plenty, in fact.

There are reasons to disagree with the taking of the knee. I agree with some of them. I don't think it's "educating" previously prejudiced people, I'm worried that it's heightening racial tensions/divisions, even if it's inadvertent, I think there will be booing at other clubs, etc.

But to pretend that what happened at Milwall yesterday was solely disagreement about political strategy is foolish.

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Many won’t be booing the players though 

Nor will they be booing because they think that Black lives don’t matter 

Just like many of the players may not support the political element of BLM 

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thats my take 

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

So quick question for those that believe those who boo it are racists. 
 

are those players who also stand against this gesture and refuse to take the knee also racist by your definition? 

Don’t think they are racist. Deffo saddo’s

8 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Of course racism is a problem 

However systemic racism isn’t holding our the non white population back from achievement in this country. Chinese & Indian groups outperform both Black and White considerably in almost all measures, that’s evidence enough that skin colour doesn’t hold anyone back economically in the U.K. 

The whole BLM movement for me seems to be about the system not working, capitalism, family units, education, justice etc etc 

I firmly believe that’s bollocks in the U.K. 

 

Fair enough. Agree with some of those points. Don't think it's all that clear cut though. But for me it's not what we're debating.

America is very different & their race politics shouldn't apply here... But taking the knee isn't necessarily  statement that black people are being held back here. Plenty have said it's a sign of solidarity with the cause in America. Or even just to highlight that racism is still an issue here.

 

2 minutes ago, tomski said:

Don’t think they are racist. Deffo saddo’s

Pretty much agree.

Though I bet you can find the odd racist amongst them.

Personally wouldn’t boo just take my seat few minutes later 

Just now, radcliffewhite1 said:

Personally wouldn’t boo just take my seat few minutes later 

Completely different from booing that mate

The first, of hopefully many, Millwall supporters has penned an open letter explaining his reasons for voicing his displeasure yesterday:

To whom it may concern,

I booed because I believe well-paid footballers 'taking the knee' are merely paying lip-service to a movement which, although meritorious in many ways, has been perniciously hijacked by extreme-left agitators.

The fact that white players are subject to pressure to participate - lest they be ordained as bigots is counterproductive. Malcolm X once declared 'Whites can help us, but they can't join us'  [re: organised anti-racist movements] - this statement holds true to this day.

White British people should support moderate equality initiatives, but must remain as exactly that - support. The vanguard of any such movement(s) should originate from the communities they represent. True self-empowerment in the tradition of Marcus Garvey and W.E.B. DuBois.

So yes, I booed.

'Bermondsey' Dave Whitechapel. December 2020.
 

Very eloquently put, Dave - we obviously hastily and harshly misjudged Millwall's support as racist mouthbreathers and blind-eye turners - please accept my apology.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

So quick question for those that believe those who boo it are racists. 
 

are those players who also stand against this gesture and refuse to take the knee also racist by your definition? 

Opting out of something and booing it isn’t the same thing though is it

 

13 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

 

There are reasons to disagree with the taking of the knee. I agree with some of them. I don't think it's "educating" previously prejudiced people, I'm worried that it's heightening racial tensions/divisions, even if it's inadvertent, I think there will be booing at other clubs, etc.

But to pretend that what happened at Milwall yesterday was solely disagreement about political strategy is foolish.

Great post

Edited December 6, 20205 yr by London Wanderer

13 minutes ago, tomski said:

Don’t think they are racist. Deffo saddo’s

It would have been the highlight of their weekend.