Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

30 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's decent - watched it twice - it's one of those rare films that's deserves a lengthly running time.

I'll have to give it a go.

Bit too long for an evening- will do it over a couple of nights.

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Conversations about the use of nuclear missiles indicate the dangerous territory we are now in.  It is a staggering failure of the western allies not to realise that Netanyahu needed reigning in.  The response to the original Hamas terror attack was disproportionate and it is hard to see anything other than a huge conflict developing now that Iran are directly involved. What a crazy world.

A clear message needed sending after that particular atrocity - since then, it has spiralled way out of control, especially when other sovereign nations are now tipping in.

This though has been building up for years and years. Sadly, in this instance, and depending on where in the timeline you choose to believe it began, it's clear to see that both sides are absolute arseholes 

Biden has publicly said the US wouldn't support an attack on their nuclear facilities. 

Given the Iranian obfuscation and lack of cooperation with the IAEA, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an unofficial support for limited strikes on some of the facilities. 

Iran getting nuclear weapons presents a far greater risk than they currently do.

A bit of clarity regarding Israel’s nuclear capabilities.

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A bit of clarity regarding Israel’s nuclear capabilities.

 

28 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A bit of clarity regarding Israel’s nuclear capabilities.

As with the Hamas tunnels, I'm sure that those who really need to know, are fully aware of exactly what their capability is, and where each of the warheads are kept/stored. The US/UK will know exactly what they have, and I'd be very surprised if Iran didn't also have a similar level of intel.

 

Same goes for Iran as well, Israel (and everybody else) will know exactly what they have and where they're positioned, if they do actually have anything

Edited October 3, 20241 yr by Sweep

Not sure Iran will know where the nuclear submarines are.

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not sure Iran will know where the nuclear submarines are.

of course a nuclear submarine doesn't mean that it's armed with nuclear weaponry 🙂.......not that Israel has any nuclear powered subs, they're still fucking about with diesel hybrid ones aren't they? - so Iran may well know where they are, although I don't really know.

but yes, if they do actually have nuclear powered subs, whilst underwater they probably don't know where they are, so if every nuclear warhead was stashed on those submarines, they would be nigh on impossible to trace. The ones on land, they're probably aware of though

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I'll have to give it a go.

Bit too long for an evening- will do it over a couple of nights.

Went to like a 9.30pm showing - felt like dawn when we left!

I see now that if you're Anti-Iran, that means you're Pro-Israel and a Zionist. Rather than just somebody with some common f-kin sense.

I really need to stay away from Social Media 

4 hours ago, Sweep said:

that's beyond my span of concentration 😉  

I'm sure films used to be a nice 90-120 minutes long, and I was happy with that - now they seem to be stretching upwards of 3 hours, or even worse in "two parts" which saps my enjoyment. The weird thing is, I can happily crunch through 4 or 5 consecutive episodes on a box set, with no problem

After I'd watched it, had a bit more time to kill so followed it up with Ghostbusters 2

Much easier on the time span and concentration level 😃

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

As with the Hamas tunnels, I'm sure that those who really need to know, are fully aware of exactly what their capability is, and where each of the warheads are kept/stored. The US/UK will know exactly what they have, and I'd be very surprised if Iran didn't also have a similar level of intel.

 

Same goes for Iran as well, Israel (and everybody else) will know exactly what they have and where they're positioned, if they do actually have anything

I don't know... I believe Israel don't think the rules apply to them and are a law unto themselves. Even hyper-powers like USA just get told to F-k off if they ask the question.

13 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

I don't know... I believe Israel don't think the rules apply to them and are a law unto themselves. Even hyper-powers like USA just get told to F-k off if they ask the question.

I doubt they'll actually be asking any questions and expecting honest answers from anybody, friend or foe, they'll have their own intel/spy network, as will we, which they rely on 

8 hours ago, Sweep said:

I keep meaning to, but every time I go to, I just think it'll be incredibly dull, as the trailers make it look a bit shit (IMO)

I first noticed it with Irishman. Way too long and makes it more boring 

Avengers end game was over 3 hours iirc.

Enjoyed that but I was rough as fuck and drinking throughout to get back on track.

No way I could do a serious film for that long. Can barely watch normal telly.

2 hours ago, boltonboris said:

I don't know... I believe Israel don't think the rules apply to them and are a law unto themselves. Even hyper-powers like USA just get told to F-k off if they ask the question.

Intrigued by these rules.

Just heard a piece earlier about these rules etc.

Via the UN etc, countries we would view as current or potential enemies are coalescing together with other, poorer nations that they have "invested" in.

Consequently, these rules and subsequent rulings are not necessarily in the best interests of ourselves, nor the countries they're aimed at.

We've just given away territory, which has a military base on it. Still have rights to the base- for now- but Mauritius who now has them, is a bed fellow of China. 

It's not hard to see the potential pit falls of such a move.

Additionally, I don't think Israel should worry too much about similar rulings.

The very same rulings made with influence by others with a major axe to grind.

Finally, once again, only one lot goes around exporting terror to the western world. 

Maybe more of us should worry a little less about certain rulings.

4 hours ago, boltonboris said:

I see now that if you're Anti-Iran, that means you're Pro-Israel and a Zionist. Rather than just somebody with some common f-kin sense.

I really need to stay away from Social Media 

Only in the same way that voicing concern for the way the Israeli government/IDF handled things makes you an anti Semite.

Fucking crack pots who see things as a binary choice missing the massive grey area where all sides are being dicks.

8 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Biden has publicly said the US wouldn't support an attack on their nuclear facilities. 

Given the Iranian obfuscation and lack of cooperation with the IAEA, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an unofficial support for limited strikes on some of the facilities. 

Iran getting nuclear weapons presents a far greater risk than they currently do.

Israel has previously attacked and destroyed Iraqi and Syrian nuclear reactor facilities without any outside support.

Iran has been playing cat and mouse with the IAEA for the past ten years and is widely believed to be almost there with the the production of weapons grade material (higher quality than that used in power plants)

10 hours ago, Sweep said:

 

Israel didn't exist when the first ones were dropped/tested did they? (as an actual country/state)  - although I think Oppenheimer was Jewish wasn't he?

Theoretical Physics was dominated by Jewish scientists in the early 1900's (Copenhagen conferences etc). Openheimer was a Practical Physicist who was employed to from a team to make it all work... Hitler basically evicted the Jewish scientists but he had good rocket engineers (V1 & V2 programmes)... thank the heavens for small mercies

7 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

A bit of clarity regarding Israel’s nuclear capabilities.

...It is also estimated that they have enough fissile material to produce 300 warheads (Ref: Nuclear Threat Initiative), all guess work as they are not recognised as a nuclear state... but Mossad has been collecting material and equipment for 50 odd years

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Of course it is only Wiki, but more confirmation that they have them, but numbers are an estimate. 

I wouldn't really want to rely on Visegrad 24 or Wikipedia as sources, but I think we can probably go with:

Israel almost certainly has nuclear weapons

We won't ever know how many

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I wouldn't really want to rely on Visegrad 24 or Wikipedia as sources, but I think we can probably go with:

Israel almost certainly has nuclear weapons

We won't ever know how many

I didn't want to say but V24 is especially dodge.

Your assessment is far more accurate than either of those sources.

23 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I didn't want to say but V24 is especially dodge.

Your assessment is far more accurate than either of those sources.

They can sometimes do a reasonable job of masquerading as a respectable news outlet, and then give the game away by cosying up to Tommy Robinson

28 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I didn't want to say but V24 is especially dodge.

Your assessment is far more accurate than either of those sources.

The ‘source’ was SIPRI. Look beyond the headlines.