Kachunga was sent racist messages after the Burton game, hope it wasn't one of our own fans. Named, shamed and lifetime ban if it was, yet people on here still support booing when players take the knee. 🥺

11 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

"If you talk about it, it exist, it's not like it exist and we refuse to talk about it. Making it a bigger issue than it need to be is the problem here"

Morgan Freeman 

Did he say that in a thick African accent?

3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

It's a huge queue, and that says it all.

I wouldn't describe 4 people as a "huge queue".

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

It's a huge queue, and that says it all.

 

1 minute ago, radcliffe white said:

??

These threats or offering out over disagreements to fellow wanderers fans. It’s ridiculous been happening for a long time on here and there’s no need at all. 

19 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Can you explain why you're against our players taking the knee, after they've explained it's a purely anti-racism gesture? If you witnessed someone being abused on the train, would you advise them to get off and let the abuser continue their journey?

If someone was showing serious signs of mental health because of abuse thrown at them on social media I would tell them to get off it ASAP, or at least have a break. Many celebs who have received it have said the same. Obviously you know better so what would you suggest to someone who is suffering? 
 

And here comes the whataboutery. No one is talking about buses. Only you 

14 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Only in your tiny minds.

There you go again abusing people

Just now, Rudy said:

 

These threats or offering out over disagreements to fellow wanderers fans. It’s ridiculous been happening for a long time on here and there’s no need at all. 

Doesn’t concern you does it not aimed at you? 

Just now, radcliffe white said:

Doesn’t concern you does it not aimed at you? 

So what

8 minutes ago, Sweep said:

are those players not taking the knee, booing those who are?

Read back 

1 minute ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

There you go again abusing people

Snowflake.

Just now, Rudy said:

So what

Cute sticking up for your little bitch😀

There was once a thread about which long-haired male footballers you'd masturbate over.

This thread has descended into something that makes the above^ seem ultra-masculine.

18 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

What exactly are you opposing here? I'm confused about what has got you so worked up about a simple anti racism message. 

If as you say you are anti racist yourself why do you have an issue with players demonstrating their anti racism stance? In defiance of the racism they face and in support of their team mates who face racism

Frank - you deserve considered answer to that question because it's clearly being asked in a genuine way rather than with an agenda.

Forgive me if I resort to the past to explain the present in the broad context of living in a society that has freedom of speech and thought. There have been many examples in totalitarian/dystopian societies of people who have not conformed and as a result been hounded, bullied, tortured, killed as a result. Sometimes those pressures are brought to bear in a more subtle way.

In Germany in the war you had to reply to "hail Hitler" in kind when someone addressed it to you. A failure to do so would have brought the finger of suspicion upon you very quickly. Toleration of other views was not in the culture.

In the USSR you may know of a composer called Dmitri Shostakovich. During those days Russian composers had to compose music in a certain way to convey support for the regime (bombastic, upbeat, contented Mother Russia stuff). When Shostakovich composed other varieties of music he was blackballed/persona non-grata and very lucky to get away with his life. Stalin was not a man to upset. The composer spent weeks on end waiting for a knock at the door. He may have intended to thumb his nose at the Kremlin, he may not. Either way he did not have freedom of thought and expression and paid a big price for not conforming.

With gestures like taking the knee my fear is that we get to a stage where a failure to "conform" gets taken a certain way. There's a pressure that comes with all this stuff - thinking back to last summer with the statue-toppling and the protests. It boils down to "do as we do with this gesture or you're a racist" etc. You've seen exactly such sentiment directed at me on this thread.

I would imagine many who boo taking the knee are at one and the same time appalled that Elias Kachunga has suffered racial abuse. It seems hard for some to understand how this could be possible. It is possible because people don't want to have to make ostentatious gestures to prove over and over again that they have purety of thought. They want to be able to prove they aren't "racist" by the way they live and engage in their communities on a day by day basis.

I smell a rat when people are being rounded upon when not engaging in such pre-ordained gestures or going a stage further and showing their opposition to such a gesture. Such a sinister culture is at odds with living in a free and open society. This is why I get so annoyed with wokery - it is not open to diversity of thought and is at root deeply intolerant of the views of others. It is like holding a conversation with the Borg.

 

5 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Doesn’t concern you does it not aimed at you? 

It should concern all right minded Bolton fans that one of our players has been racially abused. Cheese is right, there are some small minded comments being posted when we should all agree enough is enough.

2 hours ago, Traf said:

In the UK, yes and you're also quite right about football getting involved without knowing the politics of BLM.

But Colin Kaepernick started this latest knee taking 5 yrs ago in the NFL to highlight racism both in US society and their military and he was urged to do this rather than just refuse to stand for the anthem. he was advised to do this by a white former Green Beret Nate Boyer.

Kaepernick for his trouble, has literally been blackballed by the NFL since the end of the 2016 season.

He bummed a tranny.

Google it.

Mia sommat.

Don't take offence, Traf.

I'm certain that'll be a stage name (of the Tranny that Colin bummed)

Mia to me will always be Mia Wallace.

Edited September 10, 20214 yr by Youri McAnespie

WW is back 

12 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Doesn’t concern you does it not aimed at you? 

Racism doesnt affect me, but i care

6 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Frank - you deserve considered answer to that question because it's clearly being asked in a genuine way rather than with an agenda.

Forgive me if I resort to the past to explain the present in the broad context of living in a society that has freedom of speech and thought. There have been many examples in totalitarian/dystopian societies of people who have not conformed and as a result been hounded, bullied, tortured, killed as a result. Sometimes those pressures are brought to bear in a more subtle way.

In Germany in the war you had to reply to "hail Hitler" in kind when someone addressed it to you. A failure to do so would have brought the finger of suspicion upon you very quickly. Toleration of other views was not in the culture.

In the USSR you may know of a composer called Dmitri Shostakovich. During those days Russian composers had to compose music in a certain way to convey support for the regime (bombastic, upbeat, contented Mother Russia stuff). When Shostakovich composed other varieties of music he was blackballed/persona non-grata and very lucky to get away with his life. Stalin was not a man to upset. The composer spent weeks on end waiting for a knock at the door. He may have intended to thumb his nose at the Kremlin, he may not. Either way he did not have freedom of thought and expression and paid a big price for not conforming.

With gestures like taking the knee my fear is that we get to a stage where a failure to "conform" gets taken a certain way. There's a pressure that comes with all this stuff - thinking back to last summer with the statue-toppling and the protests. It boils down to "do as we do with this gesture or you're a racist" etc. You've seen exactly such sentiment directed at me on this thread.

I would imagine many who boo taking the knee are at one and the same time appalled that Elias Kachunga has suffered racial abuse. It seems hard for some to understand how this could be possible. It is possible because people don't want to have to make ostentatious gestures to prove over and over again that they have purety of thought. They want to be able to prove they aren't "racist" by the way they live and engage in their communities on a day by day basis.

I smell a rat when people are being rounded upon when not engaging in such pre-ordained gestures or going a stage further and showing their opposition to such a gesture. Such a sinister culture is at odds with living in a free and open society. This is why I get so annoyed with wokery - it is not open to diversity of thought and is at root deeply intolerant of the views of others. It is like holding a conversation with the Borg.

 

The rantings of a lunatic. 🤣

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It should concern all right minded Bolton fans that one of our players has been racially abused. Cheese is right, there are some small minded comments being posted when we should all agree enough is enough.

We are all concerned that some idiot has abused one of our players. Nobody on here has said differently; cheese is the one giving out the abuse. PS I am a snowflake 😍

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It should concern all right minded Bolton fans that one of our players has been racially abused. Cheese is right, there are some small minded comments being posted when we should all agree enough is enough.

And everyone has shown concern haven’t they ? everyone is behind him

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

The pile of shit WW of the past four years or so is back...

EFA.

Just now, radcliffe white said:

And everyone has shown concern haven’t they ? everyone is behind him

But there are quite a few on here he would have no problem with anyone booing him when he takes the knee at the next home game.  Does that not make you feel uncomfortable?

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Racism doesnt affect me, but i care

I’m not talking about racism, I’m on about rudy chirping up to my response to cheese 

1 minute ago, radcliffe white said:

And everyone has shown concern haven’t they ? everyone is behind him

Which is good

What perplexes me, and i think cheese and others, is why people dont support our players making an anti racism gesture

Its not for me or you to guess if theres some hidden marxist message

Those doing it say its anti discrimination

Why are the words of the players and sharon brittan not enough for you to support the players in their stance?

thats the question that im struggling with

Just now, DazBob said:

But there are quite a few on here he would have no problem with anyone booing him when he takes the knee at the next home game.  Does that not make you feel uncomfortable?

Not really

i wouldn’t boo myself but that’s up to them