gonzo Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m still waiting for footballers to show solidarity with other forms of abuse going on in the world, one for you Rudy, let’s start with man city owner mansour and abuse of folk in the UAE? Let’s see players show solidarity with the abused there….. I’ll be waiting a long time. What stance could we do for that one then? Maybe a cowering motion or summet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Traf said: I would never suggest you have or would. So why ask me the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: So why ask me the question? Because you raised the issue as a deflection of the current debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Traf said: Because you raised the issue as a deflection of the current debate. I’m not deflecting the debate, I’m opening up the debate with a valid question, I’m against all abuse and feel that there are many other worthy causes that footballers could get behind, perhaps cash from the likes of city/Chelsea owners clouds their judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m not deflecting the debate, I’m opening up the debate with a valid question, I’m against all abuse and feel that there are many other worthy causes that footballers could get behind, perhaps cash from the likes of city/Chelsea owners clouds their judgement. So are you saying unless all atrocities are covered then we shouldn't highlight any? All or nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, gonzo said: What stance could we do for that one then? Maybe a cowering motion or summet. Don’t worry it won’t happen they’re to interested in ££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 10, 2021 Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, royal white said: So basically if they want extra money then they’re going to have to live with it (which is wrong) you’d hope if it was getting to much for anyone they would put their own health over a few extra quid It’s not necessarily the player. Example Puma are Man City’s sponsor, as are Etihad and Amazon Prime. Those three as a condition to agreeing to be the sponsor will ask that all players who sign for club will have to agree to their terms, usually posting on social media in their new kit or gear etc unless it’s on religious grounds (gambling sites usually) So when they sign for the club the terms are already in place. Every club has this whether it’s Nike or Barry’s Hardware shop. It’s the same with staff if staff post on social media and are wearing their kit it was to be authorised sponsor, the kit man couldn’t wear a Nike top, adidas pants and have on Twitter they work for Arsenal fc, and they don’t get paid for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, DazBob said: So are you saying unless all atrocities are covered then we shouldn't highlight any? All or nothing? I say open it up across the board the to other worthy causes, human rights abuse in UAE, Russian or China won’t happen though because they care more about the money £££. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Casino said: And come off social media??? What next, dont use the bus, or better still, sit at the back It’s not just about race. If anyone is getting abuse online which is having an effect on their life then you would think they would walk away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, DazBob said: So are you saying unless all atrocities are covered then we shouldn't highlight any? All or nothing? We should start an hour before kick off. All different stances for all subjects of abuse. LGBT should be a belter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m not deflecting the debate, I’m opening up the debate with a valid question, I’m against all abuse and feel that there are many other worthy causes that footballers could get behind, perhaps cash from the likes of city/Chelsea owners clouds their judgement. I understand the point you’re trying to make, but to be fair, the players aren’t being subjected to human rights abuse or sex trafficking when playing football. They are being subjected to racist abuse week in week out in connection with the game. It’s also a shame that when some players do try and highlight other social issues (eg Rashford with child poverty) they still end up getting abuse from some morons for doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I say open it up across the board the to other worthy causes, human rights abuse in UAE, Russian or China won’t happen though because they care more about the money £££. Didn’t players wear rainbow laces a while back to support LGBT? I know it’s not the same level, but there are other things they try and support / highlight too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Jol_BWFC said: I understand the point you’re trying to make, but to be fair, the players aren’t being subjected to human rights abuse or sex trafficking when playing football. They are being subjected to racist abuse week in week out in connection with the game. It’s also a shame that when some players do try and highlight other social issues (eg Rashford with child poverty) they still end up getting abuse from some morons for doing it. The racist abuse is relatively small, the overwhelming vast majority of fans love their black players, racism is highlighted Infinitum but you’ll never get the message over to the tiny minority of absolute twats who are racist. If players feel they need to get involved in this type of demo then they must look closer to home and the abuse, murder lack of human rights that their paymasters oversea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: Didn’t players wear rainbow laces a while back to support LGBT? I know it’s not the same level, but there are other things they try and support / highlight too. I’ve only ever seen LGBT and Anti racism, let’s have some demo for other serious issues if this is the road they want to go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 10, 2021 Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’ve only ever seen LGBT and Anti racism, let’s have some demo for other serious issues if this is the road they want to go down. Like poppies? Or is that one that should not have a place in sport? Is that a political or mora issue that has no place in football ? Does Paul think that’s virtue signalling? Is that a movement of the woke community? If we didn’t support showing a mark of respect for the fallen of this country, there would be absolute outrage so why do ethnicities or genders not get the same treatment ? Isn’t sport and football the biggest and greatest platform to show solidarity and togetherness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 If it wasn't so tragically sad, it'd be hilarious to see the levels of whataboutery some will go to, just to defend the right of the gammons booing the taking of the knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 hours ago, waddy256 said: For disclosure my name is Richard Waddington and I live in a small village called Langho near Blackburn and I couldnt give a fuck who knows it . Any halfwit could find me if they so chooseded to , has this helped ? I think anyone who did hunt you down to meet you would see you and then do a rather sharpish about turn. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rudy said: Like poppies? Or is that one that should not have a place in sport? Is that a political or mora issue that has no place in football ? Does Paul think that’s virtue signalling? Is that a movement of the woke community? If we didn’t support showing a mark of respect for the fallen of this country, there would be absolute outrage so why do ethnicities or genders not get the same treatment ? Isn’t sport and football the biggest and greatest platform to show solidarity and togetherness? Poppies yes, once a year, racism yes once a year…. No issue with the current FA campaign against racism, shoving it down my throat every game is a no for me. Not sure why we need a LGBT day but if we do then once a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 14 hours ago, paulhanley said: Congratulations on winning the virtue-signalling award for today. I'm sure you feel such pride in your heart now having stood on the mountain top and bellowed out to the world about your purety. I would imagine everybody on here would be appalled about Elias Kachunga or any other person being racially abused whether by some moron on social media or in any other setting. Doesn't mean we all set out each morning to zealously prove our non-racist attitudes by hectoring and lecturing others at every opportunity and jumping on every bandwagon going. You prove you're not a racist by not saying and doing racist things in your everyday life. Being unsupportive of taking the knee does not mean someone is racist.... except of course in the simple minds of the vindictively woke, who are always on the lookout to massage their own vanity by making grand public gestures as to their untouchable virtue. As well of course as seeking to make out that the whole population is irredeemably racist apart from the chosen few in their sainted glory. Well written. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, DazBob said: If it wasn't so tragically sad, it'd be hilarious to see the levels of whataboutery some will go to, just to defend the right of the gammons booing the taking of the knee. It ain’t just booing though it’s about the right to have another opinion, that’s what gammons fight for…. And your not far off a Gammon yourself Peter fucking pan. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 "Shoving it down my throat" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 10, 2021 Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Poppies yes, once a year, racism yes once a year…. No issue with the current FA campaign against racism, shoving it down my throat every game is a no for me. Not sure why we need a LGBT day but if we do then once a year. How’s it being shoved down your throat? YKnow what don’t bother I can’t be fuckin arsed Edited September 10, 2021 by Rudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: And your not far off a Gammon yourself Peter fucking pan. 🤣 🤣 Peter Fucking Pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rudy said: How’s it being shoved down your throat? YKnow what don’t bother I can’t be fuckin arsed That’s what I think as do many others, you have a valid opinion as I and many others do. It’s like you can’t express it on here without folk getting upset!! It used to be a grown up debate seems you have to think with the mob these days. I’ll Leave this subject be as I’ve made my point. Edited September 10, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 10, 2021 Members Share Posted September 10, 2021 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: That’s what I think as do many others, you have a valid opinion as I and many others do. It’s like you can’t express it on here. Can’t express opinion? The irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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