1 minute ago, Spider said:

No.

but they all just go to Glasgow and watch football now instead.

They don’t blow children up at concerts.

I don’t know of any Jews, Sikhs, Hindus or Buddhists that immediately assumed yesterday was connected to their religion.

Why do you think everyone “picks” on Islam rather than other religious groups? Is it just bad luck?

Because quite a few Muslims have committed atrocities in Western countries. I get that. Shall we go through the list of atrocities commited by Christians in Western countries? One of them in particular is pretty massive, and there are a few big ones going on in other countries as we speak.

Just now, Cheese said:

Because quite a few Muslims have committed atrocities in Western countries. I get that. Shall we go through the list of atrocities commited by Christians in Western countries? One of them in particular is pretty massive, and there are a few big ones going on in other countries as we speak.

How many Hindu attacks in the UK?

Asking for a friend......

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Because quite a few Muslims have committed atrocities in Western countries. I get that. Shall we go through the list of atrocities commited by Christians in Western countries? One of them in particular is pretty massive, and there are a few big ones going on in other countries as we speak.

An MP in Blackburn was recently elected on a Palestine ticket.

Is that the sign of an electorate that gives a fuck about British values?

You list all the atrocities you like. I’m talking about the country I live in and the one my children are likely to inherit.

Do you think the number of British Muslims will rise or fall over the next 20 years? Because if it rises, then statistically the number of extremists will grow too.

Do you see where this is going?

ignore it, you seem happy to. But don’t be surprised when it’s a bigger problem in 10/15 years.

Would you think British security services spend more money monitoring churches, mosques, synagogues or temples these days?

Olympic standard denialism on display

32 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

See, we have here a picture of a muslim family from the 1970's. 

No traditional grab in sight, look like a lovely family you would have no issue with living next door to...

 

Wonder what they're all up to now .. .. .. 😟

pink car 

That means some are Gay

they have been Stoned to death now 

some went on to be Suicide Bombers 

some where the Hijab now so you wont know them 

and the last one Died of old age 

 Happy to Help 

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

An MP in Blackburn was recently elected on a Palestine ticket.

Is that the sign of an electorate that gives a fuck about British values?

You list all the atrocities you like. I’m talking about the country I live in and the one my children are likely to inherit.

Do you think the number of British Muslims will rise or fall over the next 20 years? Because if it rises, then statistically the number of extremists will grow too.

Do you see where this is going?

ignore it, you seem happy to. But don’t be surprised when it’s a bigger problem in 10/15 years.

Would you think British security services spend more money monitoring churches, mosques, synagogues or temples these days?

So I'll ask again. What are you doing about it? Or what do you suggest should be done about it?

10 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Olympic standard denialism on display

Olympic Standard question avoidance more like. What should be done about it?

Just now, little whitt said:

pink car 

That means some are Gay

they have been Stoned to death now 

some went on to be Suicide Bombers 

some where the Hijab now so you wont know them 

and the last one Died of old age 

 Happy to Help 

bit of irony with the picture, green shirt blue jeans is Bin laden.. The picture is a family holiday from Sweden..

So what happened to go from this, to where he went? 

Just now, Cheese said:

So I'll ask again. What are you doing about it? Or what do you suggest should be done about it?

I am here to discuss it.

It’s a taboo subject for some reason, and I have no idea why. Pointing out flaws is reasonable, we do it for everything else - politics, football, television - but as soon as anyone dares to ask why a certain religion is a bigger fucking liability than any other, too many people are terrified of engaging.

And the longer a subject is ignored, the bigger a problem it becomes. In any walk of life.

 

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

So I'll ask again. What are you doing about it? Or what do you suggest should be done about it?

The government has introduced what it see's as British values, the issue is, they have to be flexible with it or they can be seen as being racist, some people don't care if they are deemed racist, or they don't follow it. 

The government also have a duty, that if they mention things such as extremist beliefs, that both sides of the coin can come under that umbrella. 

it's a start as it's guidance for people from all walks of life, but if people choose not to follow that, what can be done? 

Just now, Spider said:

I am here to discuss it.

It’s a taboo subject for some reason, and I have no idea why. Pointing out flaws is reasonable, we do it for everything else - politics, football, television - but as soon as anyone dares to ask why a certain religion is a bigger fucking liability than any other, too many people are terrified of engaging.

And the longer a subject is ignored, the bigger a problem it becomes. In any walk of life.

We're discussing it now. What are you doing about it, or what do you think should be done?

 

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

I am here to discuss it.

It’s a taboo subject for some reason, and I have no idea why. Pointing out flaws is reasonable, we do it for everything else - politics, football, television - but as soon as anyone dares to ask why a certain religion is a bigger fucking liability than any other, too many people are terrified of engaging.

And the longer a subject is ignored, the bigger a problem it becomes. In any walk of life.

 

....and you end up with Rochdale.

 

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1 minute ago, Cheese said:

We're discussing it now. What are you doing about it, or what do you think should be done?

Allowing reasonable debate is a start. And not leaping on anyone who dares to be negative about Islam and calling them a racist cunt.

 

Just now, Spider said:

Allowing reasonable debate is a start. And not leaping on anyone who dares to be negative about Islam and calling them a racist cunt.

Go on...

Just now, Cheese said:

Go on...

If a group of Muslim men were about to push a drag Queen off a roof because their ladybird book of religion told them to, and you were given a chance to try and bring the situation to a peaceful conclusion, what would you do?

Its a fair debate around the topic at hand.

So what started the trouble at Manchester airport because all I can see on any news programme is the blame being squarely on the police but not one question about what actually triggered the event 

Just now, Spider said:

If a group of Muslim men were about to push a drag Queen off a roof because their ladybird book of religion told them to, and you were given a chance to try and bring the situation to a peaceful conclusion, what would you do?

Its a fair debate around the topic at hand.

I think it’s difficult to get past you thinking a big mean book tell them what to do. Other than just acknowledge they are strap ons who use religion as a guise.

43 minutes ago, Sweep said:

so they may as well keep shipping folk up there, as long as they keep them away from the Shires, I'll be more than happy. 😀

Unless it's Luton 

1 minute ago, tomski said:

I think it’s difficult to get past you thinking a big mean book tell them what to do. Other than just acknowledge they are strap ons who use religion as a guise.

Erm…

1 minute ago, 1969 said:

So what started the trouble at Manchester airport because all I can see on any news programme is the blame being squarely on the police but not one question about what actually triggered the event 

and a video which has had the beginning cut off, which I find very strange.

I'm sure there is more to it, but I will state that baring in mind that GMP have had their arse's smacked over the AO arena bombing, that they might be less willing to take chances, and something must have happened to cause an officer (who knows there is CCTV and Cameras, and witnesses and colleagues, to snap like that. 

Not in anyway saying what he did was right, but something has ticked him off. 

1 minute ago, Spider said:

If a group of Muslim men were about to push a drag Queen off a roof because their ladybird book of religion told them to, and you were given a chance to try and bring the situation to a peaceful conclusion, what would you do?

Its a fair debate around the topic at hand.

Try and bring the situation to a peaceful conclusion. Now can you answer mine?

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Try and bring the situation to a peaceful conclusion. Now can you answer mine?

Wriggly wiggly worm.

How would you do that?

What would be the best outcome?

3 minutes ago, tomski said:

I think it’s difficult to get past you thinking a big mean book tell them what to do. Other than just acknowledge they are strap ons who use religion as a guise.

The reality is that in many instances the book is itself the driver and the justification

Religious extremism isn't inherently a cover for something else, atrocities are often committed quite literally in the name of, and to advance, a religion 

50 minutes ago, Sweep said:

so they may as well keep shipping folk up there, as long as they keep them away from the Shires, I'll be more than happy. 😀

NAAIMBY - no Africans or Asians in my backyard! 

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The reality is that in many instances the book is itself the driver and the justification

Religious extremism isn't inherently a cover for something else, atrocities are often committed quite literally in the name of, and to advance, a religion 

A much more thought out response than ‘erm’ 😂

Reality is if Religion didn’t exist then shit would go down in exactly the same way. Probably in the name or disco or animals. It can certainly fuel and warp minds but the reality is people buy off people. Will never change.