Meanwhile In England

[radcliffe white]

9 hours ago, only1swanny said:

spend more than 10 mins down the bottom of Chorley Old road, area of Bolton which I wouldn't walk through at night. 

There’s them type of no go areas up & down the country but I’d say to the ones who don’t agree would you go and live there? would they fuck but, there’s some very out of touch folk about. that documentary last year off the back of grooming gangs exposed certain areas of Bradford & Oldham which are no go for whites 

[gonzo]

Taking to a property owner the other day. He was telling me how they all pay a % in to their mosque and they can use it facilitate acquiring properties and what not.

Got it sussed haven't they, fuck the banks.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Taking to a property owner the other day. He was telling me how they all pay a % in to their mosque and they can use it facilitate acquiring properties and what not.

Got it sussed haven't they, fuck the banks.

Can’t take normal mortgages can they?

[PatrickBateman]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why?

Seems like another instance someone seeing only black or white.

Not doubt there are many decent Muslims here. Not the point whatsoever.

There are many, and increasingly more, that aren't decent.

I've also witnessed behaviour through work, some good some bad.

 

My wife was also sexually assaulted by a Pakistani teen over here visiting relatives. 

Thought that white women are easy, and essentially worthless.

I'd have kicked the cunt in the head if I'd been there.

Thought it needed saying. 

 

London will be on here in a minute accusing you of making that up, you racist gammoners 

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Can’t take normal mortgages can they?

Think they push the Haram boundaries like but no. Can't do loans either.

Hence they swap money about with eachother. 

Those leased super cars don't pay for themselves Bruddah

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, PatrickBateman said:

You mean the same Muslims who are no fans of gay people or the Muslim countries who throw them off buildings for their sensuality? 🙃

You’ve missed the point by a country mile pal 🙂

As have others to be honest.

Never have denied the issues of radicalisation in the Muslim community. I’ve colleagues who’ve experienced it first hand.  See previous posts where I’ve acknowledged some of points folk like Tommy Robinson express. But these issues don’t warrant the grand generalisations we’re seeing. Anecdotal stories about bad Muslims being used to claim they’re worse than white people.

Now you’ve got a rise in anti LGBTQ politics across Europe & in the UK. Funnily enough it’s Muslims mostly who are voting for the more progressive parties. & white folk voting for the more traditional. Doesn’t quite fit the narrative ey.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

However, they are not being dealt with and unfortunately people like you turn that around and refer to those objecting as racist etc.

 

Nonsense & at no point have I called anyone a racist. Folk also claiming they’re being accused of being far- right. See other posts I’ve made on this before making stuff up. 
 

Shame because you made some points worth discussing 

Edited July 26, 2024 by London Wanderer

[Not in Crawley]

3 hours ago, PatrickBateman said:

You mean the same Muslims who are no fans of gay people or the Muslim countries who throw them off buildings for their sensuality? 🙃

Are you a kind, considerate and compassionate lover? Off the cliff you go!

[London Wanderer]

21 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Are you a kind, considerate and compassionate lover? Off the cliff you go!

😂

[London Wanderer]

"They wanted me to issue an appeal for calm among all sorts of different communities in Rochdale.

"We've had a history of unfortunate division in our town and we do not want to go back to those days."

He said the family were "acutely aware" there were "extremists of all sides who are keen to hijack this incident for their own ends". 

"The family are not interested in that at all," he added.

Solid statement from the family of the fella kicked in the head. Some of the family are apparently police officers. 

 

[gonzo]

 

 

 

[gonzo]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/24/germany-bans-muslim-group-citing-extremism-ties-to-iran-and-hezbollah

 

Wonder if our authorities would have the bollocks to do this?

[London Wanderer]

12 minutes ago, gonzo said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/24/germany-bans-muslim-group-citing-extremism-ties-to-iran-and-hezbollah

 

Wonder if our authorities would have the bollocks to do this?

I guess this answers the question Cheese posed of what needs to be done.
 

If Labour could work with the police to do more of this (though I’m sure the police already are in cases) then they will retain & pull in voters.

Important to be honest about the problem, whether we’re talking about grooming radicalisation etc. Public bodies need to be more confident talking honestly about it & dealing with it. 
 

Problem is you’ve got to then be consistent in banning & targeting other groups. Genuine neo nazi groups (not Tommy R 😁) & also extremist Hindu groups. A tough balance for the police to get right. 
 

https://m.thewire.in/article/communalism/british-hindus-must-take-a-stand-against-groups-promoting-hindu-supremacy-in-the-uk/amp

 

[PatrickBateman]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I guess this answers the question Cheese posed of what needs to be done.
 

If Labour could work with the police to do more of this (though I’m sure the police already are in cases) then they will retain & pull in voters.

Important to be honest about the problem, whether we’re talking about grooming radicalisation etc. Public bodies need to be more confident talking honestly about it & dealing with it. 
 

Problem is you’ve got to then be consistent in banning & targeting other groups. Genuine neo nazi groups (not Tommy R 😁) & also extremist Hindu groups. A tough balance for the police to get right. 
 

https://m.thewire.in/article/communalism/british-hindus-must-take-a-stand-against-groups-promoting-hindu-supremacy-in-the-uk/amp

 

Admit it, you have wet dreams about Tommy R, he's forever on your mind.

Naive to think everyone likes him who doesn't agree with you tho, personally I think he's a grifter funded by the Israeli government but hey ho on the Robinson express we go!

[batton carrier]

9 hours ago, royal white said:

Obviously some people won’t believe this happened because Tommy Robinson posted it. Anyway 2024 and there’s people, as expected, outside a police station, making threats to serving police officers whilst chucking objects at the building. 

Sad thing about all this is when the police fail to do their job, you see the many clips on social media of police running away, police failing  to make arrests, police who you can see are totally incapable of doing their job and nothing is done to them, they’re just laughed at. These are the coppers who should be getting suspended 
 

 

How the fuck is that allowed to happen in the UK in 2024. Who the fuck do these cunts think they are . This is the result of years of turning a blind eye to their behaviour,letting them play the race card at every opportunity and being scared to do anything for fear of being labelled a racist. These fuckers think they are above any law in this land that they call home. No matter which "community "The police should be out there policing not fucking hiding. If one of theirs crosses the line which may or may not have happened the other night there are processes in place to deal with it .

We can't have angry mobs turning up demanding their own brand of justice no matter where they are from or which fairytale they choose to believe.

Im sorry it is time for the UK to have a long hard look at itself and man the fuck up

[Manchester_whites]

Akhmed Yakoob is a solicitor from Birmingham who is representing the 2 lads and is currently under investigation for using social media to make false claims of racism against a young school teacher. He is well known in Birmingham for stirring up shit. He tried to influence the voting in the General Election in Birmingham. Dangerous bloke 😡

[radcliffe white]

9 hours ago, royal white said:

Obviously some people won’t believe this happened because Tommy Robinson posted it. Anyway 2024 and there’s people, as expected, outside a police station, making threats to serving police officers whilst chucking objects at the building. 

Sad thing about all this is when the police fail to do their job, you see the many clips on social media of police running away, police failing  to make arrests, police who you can see are totally incapable of doing their job and nothing is done to them, they’re just laughed at. These are the coppers who should be getting suspended 
 

 

Good at mincing around dancing at carnivals though, 🌈 truncheons😀

[BobyBrno]

39 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I guess this answers the question Cheese posed of what needs to be done.
 

If Labour could work with the police to do more of this (though I’m sure the police already are in cases) then they will retain & pull in voters.

Important to be honest about the problem, whether we’re talking about grooming radicalisation etc. Public bodies need to be more confident talking honestly about it & dealing with it. 
 

Problem is you’ve got to then be consistent in banning & targeting other groups. Genuine neo nazi groups (not Tommy R 😁) & also extremist Hindu groups. A tough balance for the police to get right. 
 

https://m.thewire.in/article/communalism/british-hindus-must-take-a-stand-against-groups-promoting-hindu-supremacy-in-the-uk/amp

 

If you’re going down the road of ‘whataboutary’, don’t forget the far left. Just for balance of course.😉

https://phys.org/news/2023-08-elite-people-left-wing-populism-environmental.html

[mickbrown]

All gone a bit dark this thread. 
 

In the words of that Scottish ice cream van man, ‘I’m oot’. 

[London Wanderer]

27 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

If you’re going down the road of ‘whataboutary’, don’t forget the far left. Just for balance of course.😉

https://phys.org/news/2023-08-elite-people-left-wing-populism-environmental.html

👍

 it’s not really an example of whataboutery pal. Just stating that banning one extremist group means being consistent. Which I’m sure you’d agree is a difficult balance to strike 

[Not in Crawley]

I was thinking the same - its gone down a very odd and not massively pleasant road.

[gonzo]

Stop being benders ffs.

[Zico]

4 hours ago, gonzo said:

So if you raise some issues with Islam and some of their cultures and core beliefs and how they don't necessarily integrate well with our society you are right wing.

But then by being right wing it's automatically assumed you don't like gays?

Jesus.

So then we have the left wing who are usually pro LBTQ+ defending to the hilt a faith and set of beliefs that deplore homosexuality.  

Jesus.

That's where it all breaks down.

I personally am that liberal I can't stand a faith or ideology that constraints women and putting it mildly opposes homosexuallty and everything that comes with it. 

Same goes for any faith. Islam is different to others though, clearly.

see that's the thing, you're being a bit too broad there

yes, some islamics take things to the extreme in their beliefs, and some even further with their actions, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of muslims cannot integrate perfectly well into every day life the in the UK and other countries

i've known plenty, they just get on with it, you wouldn't even know they were a muslim half the time

one girl who i used to manage, manc born and bred, had an arranged marriage with a lad in pakistan

couldn't get my head round it but she could not have been happier with her lot, far happier than some of the other married folk in the office

so to talk about islam and the "muslim community" as though they all hold the same level of beliefs is wrong for me

and to say islam does not mix well with "western values" or our "society", which folk say a lot, well, look at the western values I just posted, they look very aligned to me in their attitudes towards gods, women and gays, our "society" is hardly a shining beacon of how to live a good life

a good example of how different muslims in the same "community" can be

watch The Push, about a Muslim man who murdered his muslim wife:

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-push-murder-on-the-cliff

the guy and his family are abhorent cunts and quite clearly a bad example of islam and how it really can be a stone age backwards way to live a llife

the women and her family were one of the nicest most integrated families you could meet, no different than you and me, other than they do prayers and go to the mosque, there is absolutely nothing about them that suggests they cannot live side by side with anyone else

and both families are from the same community, go to the same mosque, follow the same religion

the problem is, as always, it's the extereme ones who get the headlines and that you notice because of how different they are in terms they go about their lives

no idea what they did in the first pllce, but those lads at  the airport, like a lot of lads on here on a match day, probably don't like behind treated like cunts by the police because of how they look, but they fought back and got tasered and  twatted, and based purely on the videos, i don't blame them as one get pepper sprayed for no apparent reason

[Zico]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/24/germany-bans-muslim-group-citing-extremism-ties-to-iran-and-hezbollah

 

Wonder if our authorities would have the bollocks to do this?

and that is exactly what needs to be done

[Not in Crawley]

Going back to the has social media fuelled racism etc - this is a super interesting listen that covers this ground.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

In fairness, some organisations like these have been proscribed.

Dunno about these specifically, are they even here?