Meanwhile In England

[Cheese]

Just now, Zico said:

aye

the point he made which I didn't agree with was that racism and homophobia was eroding

my point was I don't think it was, it was always there,

a combination of social media, brexit, blm, turmp, farage, etc etc have given people the "confidence" and chance to get their views out there in a way we've not seen before

some of the replies to the tweets of the airport videos are depressing

those aren't thoughts or opinions that folk only developed after the economic crash or when the tories have been in power,they'vea always had them

folk have always been racist, islamohobia has gained momentum since 9/11 and all the terrorism and grooming of the 00s onwards

but saw plenty racism in bolton in the 80s and 90s 

 

I used the term "eroding away" as it describes an extremely slow process. Nobody in their right mind can deny that racism/homophobia/etc have been on the wane compared to the last century. And surely nobody in their right mind can deny there has been a resurgence of these views in the last decade or so?

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

If it was a white lad in those videos there’s no way 100’s of “Christians” would have gathered in Rochdale last night.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/protests-outside-court-after-tommy-robinson-convicted-over-video-footage/38286235.html

Edited July 25, 2024 by Cheese

[gonzo]

40 love

[batton carrier]

All these protesters outside Bradford police station do they not have jobs to get up to go to. Last thing I wanna be doing the night before a days graft is standing and shouting in the dark

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Did we see any of these prominent Muslims all over social media after the arean bombing or various grooming scandals?

 

Fckn hell mate.

The vast, vast majority of Muslims found the attack as abhorrent as you or me. Loads of the prominent people you’re talking about spoke out about it. As Cheese just proved to you.

Another massive generalisation 

 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, Cheese said:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/protests-outside-court-after-tommy-robinson-convicted-over-video-footage/38286235.html

Beat me to it.

 There’s loads of examples of the white community reacting in a similar way. 

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I used the term "eroding away" as it describes an extremely slow process. Nobody in their right mind can deny that racism/homophobia/etc have been on the wane compared to the last century. And surely nobody in their right mind can deny there has been a resurgence of these views in the last decade or so?

I think there's been an increase in our exposure to the views 

Yes they've been fuelled 

But I don't think it was ever eroding

I think it's been getting worse this century 

As said, most noticeably for me since 9/11 and subsequent wars and everything that followed 

Certainly in my lifetime, the last 25 years were far worse than anything in the 80s and 90s that Ive come across 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Not heard of any calling out the attack on the squaddie yet

Have Christian groups condemned it? 
 

Does a white person have to speak out every time another white person attacks someone? 
 

Still not heard the full details on this one anyway. Was the poor lad attacked by an Islamist? 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

I think there's been an increase in our exposure to the views 

Yes they've been fuelled 

But I don't think it was ever eroding

I think it's been getting worse this century 

As said, most noticeably for me since 9/11 and subsequent wars and everything that followed 

Certainly in my lifetime, the last 25 years were far worse than anything in the 80s and 90s that Ive come across 

So you think racism and homophobia is just as rife now as it was in the 1950's, when hotels had "no blacks" on their doors, and being gay was illegal?

Edited July 25, 2024 by Cheese

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

So you think racism and homophobia is just as rife now as it was in the 1950's?

In this country? 

I wasn't alive but I certainly think homophobia is more rife now as more people are open about it and we're exposed to everything that LGBTQ+ has to offer

I think racism is more rife now because of the rise in immigration and more minorities across the country living here 

The more gays and ethnics there are, the more homophobia and racism there will be 

Simplistic view maybe but I've tried to sum it up in a couple of paragraphs 

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Zico said:

In this country? 

I wasn't alive but I certainly think homophobia is more rife now as more people are open about it and we're exposed to everything that LGBTQ+ has to offer

I think racism is more rife now because of the rise in immigration and more minorities across the country living here 

The more gays and ethnics there are, the more homophobia and racism there will be 

Simplistic view maybe but I've tried to sum it up in a couple of paragraphs 

Homophobia is more rife in 2024 than in the 80s or 90s not on your nelly. Exposure is actively one of the examples of why it isn't as rife.

[gonzo]

26 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Fckn hell mate.

The vast, vast majority of Muslims found the attack as abhorrent as you or me. Loads of the prominent people you’re talking about spoke out about it. As Cheese just proved to you.

Another massive generalisation 

 

I was setting it up for a why the hell are they so vocal about then post....

Then Cheese served an ace

But my point is people were quick to say Muslims shouldn't have to come out and apologise for things nothing to do with them.

Likewise they shouldnt be getting their knickers in a twist now about some scroats getting beat up in an airport.

It's fuck all do with them.

 

Edited July 25, 2024 by gonzo

[Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

In this country? 

I wasn't alive but I certainly think homophobia is more rife now as more people are open about it and we're exposed to everything that LGBTQ+ has to offer

I think racism is more rife now because of the rise in immigration and more minorities across the country living here 

The more gays and ethnics there are, the more homophobia and racism there will be 

Simplistic view maybe but I've tried to sum it up in a couple of paragraphs 

Yes, in this country.

I think your logic is inverted. People are more open about being gay because we are a less homophobic society, and there are less racists because people are more exposed to other races, and they can see we're all basically the fucking same. Unfortunately we seem to be regressing lately.

Edited July 25, 2024 by Cheese

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Yes, in this country.

I think your logic is inverted. People are more open about being gay because we are a less homophobic society, and there are less racists because people are more exposed to other races. My point is that we seem to be regressing.

I agree. I think it’s all social media driven. The views have always been out there now there is a channel for it. Andrew Tate. Tommy Robinson etc. had no outlet. Now they do. And they sucker in the vulnerable and poorly educated. Same has happened throughout history it’s just the barrier is lowered now. 

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Yes, in this country.

I think your logic is inverted. People are more open about being gay because we are a less homophobic society, and there are less racists because people are more exposed to other races, and they can see we're all basically the fucking same. Unfortunately we seem to be regressing lately.

 

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I agree. I think it’s all social media driven. The views have always been out there now there is a channel for it. Andrew Tate. Tommy Robinson etc. had no outlet. Now they do. And they sucker in the vulnerable and poorly educated. Same has happened throughout history it’s just the barrier is lowered now. 

I agree the views have always been out there

And that social media plays it's part

I think it's paradoxical in that as you see both an increase in tolerance and an increase in resentment and ism and phobia 

I just don't think it's been a recent regression 

People are more comfortable sharing their views from behind an anonymous Twitter account 

These aren't recently developed views 

For folk my age they've been years in the making 

Now there's an outlet for everyone 

So you see more love and you see more hate 

[deeane Koontz]

4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I agree. I think it’s all social media driven. The views have always been out there now there is a channel for it. Andrew Tate. Tommy Robinson etc. had no outlet. Now they do. And they sucker in the vulnerable and poorly educated. Same has happened throughout history it’s just the barrier is lowered now. 

Definitley got worse with Brexit/Trump and the type of dogshit politics which followed too

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think I'd agree that social media has shone a light on pre-existing racism and homophobia

I suppose it can only really be subjective

[Casino]

3 hours ago, little whitt said:

Apart from the RAYGUNS 

most on TWATTER 

Are Backing the Copper 

you know how twitter works?

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/protests-outside-court-after-tommy-robinson-convicted-over-video-footage/38286235.html

Did Tommy deliver leaflets through thousands of doors to organise that?

Thanks for proving my point 💪

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

 

If it was a white lad in those videos there’s no way 100’s of “Christians” would have gathered in Rochdale last night.

 

agreed

nor would everybody on twitter except rayguns be saying it was OK

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Zico said:

I agree the views have always been out there

And that social media plays it's part

I think it's paradoxical in that as you see both an increase in tolerance and an increase in resentment and ism and phobia 

I just don't think it's been a recent regression 

People are more comfortable sharing their views from behind an anonymous Twitter account 

These aren't recently developed views 

For folk my age they've been years in the making 

Now there's an outlet for everyone 

So you see more love and you see more hate 

We will have to agree to disagree then. In my experience, acceptance of 'others' has definitely been on a downward spiral for the last decade.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

We will have to agree to disagree then. In my experience, acceptance of 'others' has definitely been on a downward spiral for the last decade.

Going off what? There’s no doubt this country has been more accepting of “others” in the last 10 years. 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Going off what? There’s no doubt this country has been more accepting of “others” in the last 10 years. 

Going off my experience, like I wrote in the post you quoted.

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

Did Tommy deliver leaflets through thousands of doors to organise that?

Thanks for proving my point 💪

No idea, but I'm guessing it was arranged on facebook.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Going off my experience, like I wrote in the post you quoted.

Whats your experience?