Meanwhile In England

[Casino]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

They are only illegal at the point there application is processed and rejected. 

but not so priti, cruella and jenrick said

[royal white]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

😳

Some mixed reactions there. 
 

 

#NewLabour 

#LoveNotHate 

[deeane Koontz]

7 minutes ago, Tony said:

One thing that bothers me is that when people hold up placards saying Refugees Welcome. What do they mean by that? Do they mean anyone who arrives in the UK is welcome or do they mean anyone who arrives legally under a managed immigration system is welcome. 

 

Who knows, but it's a better look than attempting to set them on fire while they're trapped in a hotel

[gonzo]

I don't blame a single migrant that wants to come here. Good on em. They just want a better life.

It's our system that's fucked.

[Casino]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

I don't blame a single migrant that wants to come here. Good on em. They just want a better life.

It's our system that's fucked.

our country is fucked

(relative to how it should be as one of the richest countries on earth)

[Tony]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

id guess they mean refugees

No such thing as an economic migrant then.

My understanding is that other European countries not only process asylum claims quicker but also reject a higher percentage than the UK, particularly Germany. Some of the Boat people have already been rejected in other countries.

 

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Tony said:

 

My understanding is that other European countries not only process asylum claims quicker but also reject a higher percentage than the UK, particularly Germany. Some of the Boat people have already been rejected in other countries.

 

thats my understanding too

#14 years

[gonzo]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

thats my understanding too

#14 years

Thought we were taking back control? 

[Casino]

12 minutes ago, Tony said:

Some of the Boat people have already been rejected in other countries.

 

i wonder if you are part of a large trading bloc, you could have a rule whereby if youve been rejected by one member, you could be rejected by all?

[Casino]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Thought we were taking back control? 

we can probably look to get more control, but control won't look like a lot of people want it to

imo

[Ani]

A lot of people getting sent down seem to have just been unlucky to have been passing by when drunk. They are making it 100% clear that despite attacking mosques and homes of immigrants they are not racist. Sure when the Muslim brotherhood see that they will welcome them into their new surroundings. 
 

Seriously people have fucked their lives for this. 

[Tony]

Just now, Casino said:

i wonder if you are part of a large trading bloc, you could have a rule whereby if youve been rejected by one member, you could be rejected by all?

 

I think if you have been rejected as an asylum seeker the likelihood is you are not an asylum seeker you are an economic migrant and should not be able to block the system in another country.

The economic migrants will try to seek asylum at the country which has the laxest asylum system, for the last few years this has been the Republic of Ireland.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

A lot of people getting sent down seem to have just been unlucky to have been passing by when drunk. They are making it 100% clear that despite attacking mosques and homes of immigrants they are not racist. Sure when the Muslim brotherhood see that they will welcome them into their new surroundings. 
 

Seriously people have fucked their lives for this. 

Good.

[Tony]

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

A lot of people getting sent down seem to have just been unlucky to have been passing by when drunk. They are making it 100% clear that despite attacking mosques and homes of immigrants they are not racist. Sure when the Muslim brotherhood see that they will welcome them into their new surroundings. 
 

Seriously people have fucked their lives for this. 

Many of them are drunk or on drugs, or both. And a high percentage have got previous convictions. 

[royal white]

23 minutes ago, Ani said:

A lot of people getting sent down seem to have just been unlucky to have been passing by when drunk. They are making it 100% clear that despite attacking mosques and homes of immigrants they are not racist. Sure when the Muslim brotherhood see that they will welcome them into their new surroundings. 
 

Seriously people have fucked their lives for this. 

How many have been done for attacking mosques and  homes? 

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

How many have been done for attacking mosques and  homes? 

The two lads who were on their home from bingo joined a group who were targeting homes, the Southport riot was attacking a mosque. 

However as I do not to get into 4567 messages backwards and forwards I agree that is not what they have been charged with. I am sure the Muslim brotherhood will take your point into consideration. 

[gonzo]

37 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

I think if you have been rejected as an asylum seeker the likelihood is you are not an asylum seeker you are an economic migrant and should not be able to block the system in another country.

The economic migrants will try to seek asylum at the country which has the laxest asylum system, for the last few years this has been the Republic of Ireland.

If only we were part of some form of union where we could leverage a better deal.

If only...

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

The two lads who were on their home from bingo joined a group who were targeting homes, the Southport riot was attacking a mosque. 

However as I do not to get into 4567 messages backwards and forwards I agree that is not what they have been charged with. I am sure the Muslim brotherhood will take your point into consideration. 

Good to acknowledge that our prisons are a breeding ground for racial hatred 👍

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Good to acknowledge that our prisons are a breeding ground for racial hatred 👍

I think I was talking about them becoming fully integrated actually 👍😎😂

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, Ani said:

A lot of people getting sent down seem to have just been unlucky to have been passing by when drunk. They are making it 100% clear that despite attacking mosques and homes of immigrants they are not racist. Sure when the Muslim brotherhood see that they will welcome them into their new surroundings. 
 

Seriously people have fucked their lives for this. 

Yeah and the people who pushed them to this. The instigators both short and long term, direct and indirect, will in the main get away with it.

 

 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Yeah and the people who pushed them to this. The instigators both short and long term, direct and indirect, will in the main get away with it.

 

 

Some of those being jailed are in their teens and early 20s,  don’t have a clue about politics  and weren’t old enough to vote Brexit yet I’m sure these are some of the people and reasons you want to blame. 
 

Then we have a Labour councillor saying “cut their throats” to a laughing mob of “peaceful protestors” 

 

How about acknowledging some people need to take blame for their own actions. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

No such thing as an economic migrant then.

My understanding is that other European countries not only process asylum claims quicker but also reject a higher percentage than the UK, particularly Germany. Some of the Boat people have already been rejected in other countries.

 

In 2016 we were the on of the lowest asylum grant rates around. In 2004 we rejected something like 9 in 10. Last 5 years we’ve been the highest grant rate in Western Europe. 
 

This is the thing that is irritating. All this, leave the EU secure our borders, find deterrents etc that the Tories talked was the complete opposite of what they did. They whipped up the hate, the racism, dog whistled the racists whilst doing the complete opposite in reality. It’s why I find cleverly to be utterly appalling. He knew Rwanda was a disgraceful idea - kept peddling it as some magical deterrent whilst he knew they were granting asylum like handing out sweets. A lot of responsibility for what happened in the last few weeks is on their hands. For deliberately playing on hatred for votes. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Some of those being jailed are in their teens and early 20s,  don’t have a clue about politics  and weren’t old enough to vote Brexit yet I’m sure these are some of the people and reasons you want to blame. 
 

Then we have a Labour councillor saying “cut their throats” to a laughing mob of “peaceful protestors” 

 

How about acknowledging some people need to take blame for their own actions. 

They need to take blame for their own actions - absolutely.  But the hatred and language used hasn’t come from nowhere. It’s time politicians were responsible and behaved like serious people. We can discuss immigration without inciting hatred and demonising groups of people. That’s not just right wing politicians. Across the spectrum I find the way that stuff is discussed or talked about is not satisfactory.

But they are a symptom of the media. And those collages of daily mail and express front pages shouldn’t be ignored. We can discuss stuff without that. 

[Cheese]

Arrested. Good.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-councillor-cut-throats-speech-walthamstow-protest-b2593240.html

[Casino]

14 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Arrested. Good.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-councillor-cut-throats-speech-walthamstow-protest-b2593240.html

fuck off, farridge

correct me if i'm wrong but he couldnt be arsed turning up in the Commons the day after the southport murders, instead carrying on his little game through twitter

i suppose the truth doesnt matter so much on social media