Meanwhile In England

[Winchester White]

So is Starmer on holiday or not?

That's surely the most important question? Or it seemed to be...

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Tony said:

No problem apology accepted.

Nice to have you back, pal

[wiggy]

Hopefully some serious jail time for the idiots on both sides will help calm the situation and allow some serious discussions about issues which are clearly worrying a large number of people. 

[DazBob]

58 minutes ago, Tony said:

Why would you say that. It's not correct. 

This could be a question asked a lot on this thread.

[London Wanderer]

50 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Very wrong

There are differing definitions of Zionism, but polling consistently shows a majority of Jews identify as Zionists, and often a healthy majority

Support for the existence of an Isreali state is typically even higher still, occasionally reaching over 90%

good points

Israel has a state though. Isn’t the issue that they have and still are creating it at the expense of Palestinians ? 

 What do the polls say on Jewish support for a Palestine state, just out of curiosity?

It’s an antisemitic poster. But is all anti-Zionism antisemitic ? Seems a complex one to say the least.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

good points

Israel has a state though. Isn’t the issue that they have and still are creating it at the expense of Palestinians ? 

 What do the polls say on Jewish support for a Palestine state, just out of curiosity?

It’s an antisemitic poster. But is all anti-Zionism antisemitic ? Seems a complex one to say the least.

 

It is something of a redundant question as to whether a person is a Zionist today, and many pro-Palestinian activists fail appreciate this when they ask it, because, as you note, the State of Israel has now been established

Before its inception, it was a much more pertinent question, and someone could more easily be an anti-Zionist without also being an anti-semite

Regarding support for the existence of an Israeli state, what that really means is support for the continued existence of an Israeli state, or it's right to exist - note existence of an Israeli state, not necessarily the state of Israel and its territory as it exists now, or the governing regime

I'm not sure on the question of Jewish support for a Palestinian state as it doesn't seem the question is often posed to Jewish people, but instead to Israelis specifically, and the results of polling can fluctuate quite drastically depending on how the question is asked, and on the health of relations between the two territories at any given time

If a theoretic Palestinian state were to be governed by sensible, stable political figures, with the threat of terrorist violence practically nullified, I'd think there'd be a pretty comfortable majority of Jews in favour

[MickyD]

9 hours ago, wiggy said:

Hopefully some serious jail time for the idiots on both sides will help calm the situation and allow some serious discussions about issues which are clearly worrying a large number of people. 

Well, up to now, it seems this:

a) isn’t the case

b) isn’t being reported correctly

c) two-tier policing selective in ensuring those arrested have typically “Christian” style names rather than typically “Islamic” names.

d) I’m just not watching the right news programmes.

Tick all applicable.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It is something of a redundant question as to whether a person is a Zionist today, and many pro-Palestinian activists fail appreciate this when they ask it, because, as you note, the State of Israel has now been established

Before its inception, it was a much more pertinent question, and someone could more easily be an anti-Zionist without also being an anti-semite

Regarding support for the existence of an Israeli state, what that really means is support for the continued existence of an Israeli state, or it's right to exist - note existence of an Israeli state, not necessarily the state of Israel and its territory as it exists now, or the governing regime

I'm not sure on the question of Jewish support for a Palestinian state as it doesn't seem the question is often posed to Jewish people, but instead to Israelis specifically, and the results of polling can fluctuate quite drastically depending on how the question is asked, and on the health of relations between the two territories at any given time

If a theoretic Palestinian state were to be governed by sensible, stable political figures, with the threat of terrorist violence practically nullified, I'd think there'd be a pretty comfortable majority of Jews in favour

I’m a Zionist. I also think what Israel are doing in Palestine is unconscionable.

The left misuse the word all the time (what a shock). 

[gonzo]

I'm Iron like a Lion in Zion.

[London Wanderer]

9 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It is something of a redundant question as to whether a person is a Zionist today, and many pro-Palestinian activists fail appreciate this when they ask it, because, as you note, the State of Israel has now been established

Before its inception, it was a much more pertinent question, and someone could more easily be an anti-Zionist without also being an anti-semite

Regarding support for the existence of an Israeli state, what that really means is support for the continued existence of an Israeli state, or it's right to exist - note existence of an Israeli state, not necessarily the state of Israel and its territory as it exists now, or the governing regime

I'm not sure on the question of Jewish support for a Palestinian state as it doesn't seem the question is often posed to Jewish people, but instead to Israelis specifically, and the results of polling can fluctuate quite drastically depending on how the question is asked, and on the health of relations between the two territories at any given time

If a theoretic Palestinian state were to be governed by sensible, stable political figures, with the threat of terrorist violence practically nullified, I'd think there'd be a pretty comfortable majority of Jews in favour

Cheers mate

Makes sense that it would mean the continued existence. 
 

For all my strong opinions on the conflict, I do have a lot of sympathy with Israel’s struggles. I just despise their current government & the amount of land they continue to take from Palestinians. That there’s a terrorist dictatorship in Gaza doesn’t seem to justify preventing Palestine being given a state & I very much doubt they would be willing to return any of the recent land that was stolen. I would like to see the US & Arab states drawing up the borders and refusing to fund either nation until they settle and accept each others rights to exist. 
 

Anyway, it’s a stupid poster. And a shame really, because I’m sure many Jews in Finchley wanted to show solidarity. It was an opportunity for unity & the organisers chose to bring the conflict into it. Just like the TRs do with their Israeli flags as well. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

Well, up to now, it seems this:

a) isn’t the case

b) isn’t being reported correctly

c) two-tier policing selective in ensuring those arrested have typically “Christian” style names rather than typically “Islamic” names.

d) I’m just not watching the right news programmes.

Tick all applicable.

Muslims were reported the other day as being arrested, charged & not bailed.

 It was being reported. There was just a lot more serious violence committed by ‘the other side’. 

[Casino]

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

c) two-tier policing selective in ensuring those arrested have typically “Christian” style names rather than typically “Islamic” names.

 

you're not daft, so im struggling a bit before i respond

are you saying the cops are just arresting whites?

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Muslims were reported the other day as being arrested, charged & not bailed.

 It was being reported. There was just a lot more serious violence committed by ‘the other side’. 

im not sure what it means

i did read the reports earlier in the week regarding court post bolton and they were quite a few teenagers who obviously were unnamed

i suspected they'd be asians

its also more difficult to knock on the doors of folk who were masked up

[Ani]

The first couple of days of trouble were people reacting to Southport this was vast majority white right wing thugs.

As it went on more Muslims reacted and started acting equally badly, is it surprising that the ones involved in the earlier activity were the first arrested ? 
 

The fact the people wore face coverings as they realised was all being filmed won't help. Other than in Rotherham were apparently there is a CCTV opposite a shop in the centre that sells balaclavas and there is film of folk going in, buying balaclavas then straight to riot in same clothes ! ( This was reported somewhere I did not witness it myself so might be bollocks but struck me as funny) 

[Farrelli]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crrl5zwk998o
 

Nigerian guy in Middlesborough came home from a 12 hour shift as a carer to find his car trashed. Now a funding page has raised 37k. That is the best and worst of our society right there.

Edited August 9, 2024 by Farrelli

[Casino]

19 minutes ago, Ani said:

The first couple of days of trouble were people reacting to Southport this was vast majority white right wing thugs.

As it went on more Muslims reacted and started acting equally badly, is it surprising that the ones involved in the earlier activity were the first arrested ? 
 

The fact the people wore face coverings as they realised was all being filmed won't help. Other than in Rotherham were apparently there is a CCTV opposite a shop in the centre that sells balaclavas and there is film of folk going in, buying balaclavas then straight to riot in same clothes ! ( This was reported somewhere I did not witness it myself so might be bollocks but struck me as funny) 

find it depressing that efforts to argue 2 tier keep bringing up manc airport

if theyd charged the cop and not at least one asian, i could understand it

its clearly not cut and dried and only yesterday its been announced another cop is being questioned, i think for incidents before the lad attacks the coppers

[Casino]

i'm having this in here too

applications to work in care, both NHS and social massively down 

fantastic for a sector with significant labour shortages

waiting lists up too, wheezing nick announced this morning

[Zico]

Words on linked in from an integrated I've worked with on a number of occasions 

Never actually knew if she was Muslim or not as I never asked 

 

[wiggy]

36 minutes ago, Zico said:

Words on linked in from an integrated I've worked with on a number of occasions 

Never actually knew if she was Muslim or not as I never asked 

 

Heartbreaking and heartwarming. 

[Cheese]

6 hours ago, MickyD said:

Well, up to now, it seems this:

a) isn’t the case

b) isn’t being reported correctly

c) two-tier policing selective in ensuring those arrested have typically “Christian” style names rather than typically “Islamic” names.

d) I’m just not watching the right news programmes.

Tick all applicable.

 

[wiggy]

2-tier……
 

• Four men are being sentenced at Leeds Crown Court over their roles in recent disorder

• Sameer Ali, 21, is sentenced to 20 months in prison for affray, while Adnan Ghafoor, 31, is sentenced to 18 months for the same offence, plus an additional 12 months for breaching a suspended sentence

• The two men, attending an anti-racism demonstration while an anti-immigration protest was also happening in Leeds, took part in a group attack involving in excess of 10 men the judge said

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

43 minutes ago, Zico said:

Words on linked in from an integrated I've worked with on a number of occasions 

Never actually knew if she was Muslim or not as I never asked 

 

She used the term MSM so some on here will label her a crank. 

[boltonboris]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

Have you noticed on that, the comments section is turned off, yet there's a 'comment' from a fake account of a 'muslim' man saying that the arrests are "sad news"

 

Twitter really is a fuckin cesspit and honestly, it just needs shutting down

[Zico]

6 hours ago, MickyD said:

 

d) I’m just not watching the right news programmes.

 

just d

like most people who claim the "MSM" aren't reporting anything, it's more a case that they just haven't seen it

[Ani]

I think the one thing that really showed 2 tier policing was the copper telling the Muslims to leave their weapons.

I know the Labour guy was arrested and the Asian lads in Leeds got sent down and 27 have been arrested for Harehills and virtually no one was arrested at Tommys last rally but asking people to leave their weapons at home could only happen one way. (I have not verified if this is real or not 😂👍) 

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by Ani