Meanwhile In England

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Wasn’t Cameron more bothered by his erg rebels? He wanted to shut them down. And Cameron didn’t think he’d lose.

I think he’s influential among a particular group of elitist politicians but much of that influence is very recent and due to the mess the Tories were in.

 

 

 

I think we were talking about Farage and his influence. Whether you or I like it, he certainly has it. 
 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Cameron was certainly worried about losing Tory voter to UKIP and it was one of the primary reasons he promised a referendum on EU membership in the Tory manifesto 

UKIP won millions of votes in 2015 and the party was what it was because of Farage

Probably with the exception of Boris, I can't think of another British politician with such a large personal voting appeal

Whatever else he is, and whatever anyone's thinks of him, he's a hugely effective populist rabble-rouser and had has a big influence on our domestic politics

[BobyBrno]

22 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I have

The French did a beautiful job keep Le Pen out ey ? 

What does our Julie think of Nigel ? 

You hadn’t ( a guess)

You haven’t been reading the news.

She thinks he smells of wee. (a guess)

👍

[captainmed]

21 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I think we were talking about Farage and his influence. Whether you or I like it, he certainly has it. 
 

If the election was post the Southport atrocity then Nigel would have been chomping at 2-tier Stalins heels.

Edited August 9, 2024 by captainmed

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, captainmed said:

If the election was post the Southport atrocity then Nigel would have been chomping at 2-tier Stalins heels.

You do come up with some absolute shite 😂

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Cameron was certainly worried about losing Tory voter to UKIP and it was one of the primary reasons he promised a referendum on EU membership in the Tory manifesto 

UKIP won millions of votes in 2015 and the party was what it was because of Farage

Probably with the exception of Boris, I can't think of another British politician with such a large personal voting appeal

Whatever else he is, and whatever anyone's thinks of him, he's a hugely effective populist rabble-rouser and had has a big influence on our domestic politics

Corbyn, Farage, Johnson and Sturgeon all have that large personal voting appeal. They also all do varying degrees are massively more divisive than popular. It’s why the first three have all at times polled at historically low popularity. 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You hadn’t ( a guess)

I hadn't , just testing you there. You know me too well. But I get the point 😄

You haven’t been reading the news.

It's all on hold for the Olympics last I heard. Will there be enough for a coalition? 

She thinks he smells of wee. (a guess)

I think that she loves him. And a vote for Reform is a vote for him. I'm all for a good local candidate, but there is a limit. You can't mind the guy that much, which is fair enough. 

👍

 

[captainmed]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

You do come up with some absolute shite 😂

Answer the question.

1 answer.

Yes or No.

Is Farage more popular in polls now than he was before the election?

[Ani]

1 minute ago, captainmed said:

Answer the question.

1 answer.

Yes or No.

Is Farage more popular in polls now than he was before the election?

 

[Ani]

Not sure where he was pre election but he has not improved in the last week. 
 

His decision to drop Tommy et al has also reduced his support as Tommy has a lot more support in certain groups. 
 

If you think far right thugs smashing up our cities has helped Nigel, think you are wrong. 
 

Starmers approval rating is -15 so 27 better than Farage. That will likely change as the actions following the riots hit

Edited August 9, 2024 by Ani

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Corbyn, Farage, Johnson and Sturgeon all have that large personal voting appeal. They also all do varying degrees are massively more divisive than popular. It’s why the first three have all at times polled at historically low popularity. 

Corbyn would certainly be another

They might all have polled historically low amongst the population but that's largely because they have a clearly defined political brand 

The result is that they end up being marmite figures, with very strong support among their political bases and a similarly strong reaction from those who don't share their politics

But there's no denying Farage has been a pretty consistent thorn in the side of the mainstream political parties, and has had a big influence on voting patterns in recent years

[wanderer1984]

47 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

This has to be some of the worst footage I've seen. Utterly depressing.

Reading reports afterwards of immigrant and Muslim families terrified in their houses. You can see in the video a fella says 'if you're not white you're not coming through'.

The police are doing absolutely nothing, but in reality probably just can't cope with the scale of it. 

 

Bit like this one 

(Second Video)

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by wanderer1984

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Corbyn would certainly be another

They might all have polled historically low amongst the population but that's largely because they have a clearly defined political brand 

The result is that they end up being marmite figures, with very strong support among their political bases and a similarly strong reaction from those who don't share their politics

But there's no denying Farage has been a pretty consistent thorn in the side of the mainstream political parties, and has had a big influence on voting patterns in recent years

I think personally it’s more that they are all to one degree or another populists (or tried to tap into populist rhetoric for their agenda). 
 

And I think one of the big political divides in this country is now not left v right or even progressive vs conservative social values it’s populist leaders vs technocrats.

 

[Casino]

Good a place as any

Ive been out with 2 serving GMP earlier, one of em has made a fortune this week

Neither wanted to defend bootinhead at the airport

Both didnt vote Labour, but said Starmer has told em to crack on, hes got their back and this week has reassured em. Best theyve felt about the job for years

[London Wanderer]

9 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Bit like this one 

 

 

 

How is Starmer bending over backwards for them ? 😂 Muslims have been arrested, charged and jailed in Bolton. 

You can Whatabout as much as you want pal. A few clips of some racist Muslims from 'Tony Hates Lefties' is nothing compared to scale of what we saw across the UK. And I'm not excusing it, just genuinely pointing out my shock at the scale of racism and violence. 

Edited August 9, 2024 by London Wanderer

[captainmed]

11 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Bit like this one 

(Second Video)

 

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by captainmed

[London Wanderer]

22 minutes ago, captainmed said:

Answer the question.

1 answer.

Yes or No.

Is Farage more popular in polls now than he was before the election?

His popularity has taken a battering since Southport mate. 

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-starmer-labour-riots-parliament-conservative-leadership-jenrick-police-live-12593360

What goes on in that little noggin of yours to make you think he'd be toe and toe with Labour after the Southport attack? 

He admitted to believing a nonsense story immediately after the tragedy for starters. 

Edited August 9, 2024 by London Wanderer

[captainmed]

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Edited August 9, 2024 by captainmed

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, captainmed said:

 

Had a drink?

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Corbyn would certainly be another

They might all have polled historically low amongst the population but that's largely because they have a clearly defined political brand 

The result is that they end up being marmite figures, with very strong support among their political bases and a similarly strong reaction from those who don't share their politics

But there's no denying Farage has been a pretty consistent thorn in the side of the mainstream political parties, and has had a big influence on voting patterns in recent years

Anyone denying Farage has had a significant impact on politics in this country is deluded. 
 

As with a Corbyn type character they tend to have a natural glass ceiling for their support. Currently a lot more people disapprove of Farage than approve of him. His supporters are dedicated, but unlike say Trump in America where you vote for one side or the other we have other options at election time for protest votes. 
 

The problem Farage has in moving from being the most right wing option to winning an election is if he moves more central he has to leave others behind like we have seen this week that creates issues with Tommy R et al. 
 

I said after the election and this still remains if Labour can over the term of the parliament improve the economy , give us sensible and honourable government and sort out the mess with public services, in which I include the issues with immigration, the noise from the likes of Farage appeals to a smaller demographic. 

[London Wanderer]

Of course Farage is a massive player in British politics.

Just pointing out @captainmed's shocker tonight in telling us all he'd be on the heels of Labour if the election took place now. 

Only to find out he's taken a hit in the polls since the riots. 

He's now struggling to string a sentence together though, so we'll leave the lad be. 

[captainmed]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Of course Farage is a massive player in British politics.

Just pointing out @captainmed's shocker tonight in telling us all he'd be on the heels of Labour if the election took place now. 

Only to find out he's taken a hit in the polls since the riots. 

He's now struggling to string a sentence together though, so we'll leave the lad be. 

Check you.gov.

Fair play anyway.

Peace and love ❤️ 

Lets all get poorer together.

[wanderer1984]

21 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

How is Starmer bending over backwards for them ? 😂 Muslims have been arrested, charged and jailed in Bolton. 

You can Whatabout as much as you want pal. A few clips of some racist Muslims from 'Tony Hates Lefties' is nothing compared to scale of what we saw across the UK. And I'm not excusing it, just genuinely pointing out my shock at the scale of racism and violence. 

Did I say Starmer was bending over backwards?

Did these get arrested?

Aye ... The racism is terrible.

Police arresting whites for simply being at a protest.

Muslims arming themselves with machetes/ bats etc and picking off white folk.

Folk cheering for white folk throats to be slit simply for disagreeing with their opinions.

White children getting slaughtered.

Shocking isn't it.

What's shocking is folk like you thinking people like me are against ALL imagination.  

 

 

 

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Did I say Starmer was bending over backwards?

Did these get arrested?

Aye ... The racism is terrible.

Police arresting whites for simply being at a protest.

Muslims arming themselves with machetes/ bats etc and picking off white folk.

Folk cheering for white folk throats to be slit simply for disagreeing with their opinions.

White children getting slaughtered.

Shocking isn't it.

What's shocking is folk like you thinking people like me are against ALL imagination.  

 

 

 

No one has or will be arrested for attending a protest. A riot however.....

[captainmed]

5 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Did I say Starmer was bending over backwards?

Did these get arrested?

Aye ... The racism is terrible.

Police arresting whites for simply being at a protest.

Muslims arming themselves with machetes/ bats etc and picking off white folk.

Folk cheering for white folk throats to be slit simply for disagreeing with their opinions.

White children getting slaughtered.

Shocking isn't it.

What's shocking is folk like you thinking people like me are against ALL imagination.  

 

 

 

DONT engage.

Edited August 9, 2024 by captainmed