Meanwhile In England

[Wanderlust]

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Interesting article on the alleged source of disinformation

 

[little whitt]

5 hours ago, DazBob said:

No way you were in the top set for English. 

I WAS 

[Ani]

5 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

No it's not.

It's about 8% of the electoral register.

Which is a mandate.

A mandate for them to shut the fuck up and get back to their paranoid little deluded world.

Are you aware that there are over 15 million people in the UK suffering from some sort of mental illness?

What a fucking stupid response. 
 

Let's tackle the problem by telling them to shut the fuck up. Have you looked at the research recently that shows immigration is now the highest ranked issue amongst the population ? I am not advocating to take up the policies of Reform but if Labour do not take action to stop the costs of dealing with this spiralling things just get worse. 
 

The 4m is 14% of people who voted , I would like that to be 0% by the next election but simply saying they should shut the fuck up and get back in their deluded box won't do that. Same attitude that anyone who voted Brexit is old thick and racist. Elitist bull shit. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

What a fucking stupid response. 
 

Let's tackle the problem by telling them to shut the fuck up. Have you looked at the research recently that shows immigration is now the highest ranked issue amongst the population ? I am not advocating to take up the policies of Reform but if Labour do not take action to stop the costs of dealing with this spiralling things just get worse. 
 

The 4m is 14% of people who voted , I would like that to be 0% by the next election but simply saying they should shut the fuck up and get back in their deluded box won't do that. Same attitude that anyone who voted Brexit is old thick and racist. Elitist bull shit. 

What about all the anti racism protestors on the street last night. How do we take their concerns seriously?

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

22 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Indeed. 
 

I for one am wondering what is Adam Ant’s view on the situation 

He was quoted as saying "They don't drink, don't smoke, what do they do? "

[deeane Koontz]

lol. Be back to their usual poison within a couple of days 🤣

 

 

[Ani]

27 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

What about all the anti racism protestors on the street last night. How do we take their concerns seriously?

Of course we do, the two are not mutually exclusive .

You can be concerned about the spiralling cost of immigration without being racist. Do you think the Tories did enough to process asylum cases ? Are you not worried for the people stuck in hotels and hostels in limbo till something happens ? 
As I said Starmer is well placed to do this as he does not have the need to demonise a minority to appease the majority. 
 

Why would you equate tackling issues around immigration as in conflict with anti racism ? The Labour Party have policies on this , they have moved from 'stop the boats' to 'smash the gangs' , they have said they will tackle the back log. Who is objecting to that ? 

I would argue that clearing the back log and letting those with legitimate reason to come here, get jobs and contribute to society ie integrate would be a massive step to reducing  racism and undermining the support for parties like Reform who are a one issue party. 

Edited August 8, 2024 by Ani

[gonzo]

7 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

No it's not.

It's about 8% of the electoral register.

Which is a mandate.

A mandate for them to shut the fuck up and get back to their paranoid little deluded world.

Are you aware that there are over 15 million people in the UK suffering from some sort of mental illness?

You are as bad as the knuckle daggers throwing traffic cones at police.

Probably worse. You're the reason it's got to this ridiculous polarised and disgraceful situation.

[CumbrianWhite]

8 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm 46. I went to a school in Bolton that was 50/50 British Muslim. That was from 89 -94.

No issue here, no issue then. Anyone who decides to 'protest' needs to firstly, understand immigration and how it works across western countries, secondly read a bit of history (not much but an understanding should do) and then thirdly not smash stuff up because you are

A) bored

B poor

C) see A and B

Only an idiot can have an issue with a fair controlled immigration system. Ours seems to be neither at the moment.

Smashing up streets is obviously not the answer but it seems like there is an attempt to throw anyone with concerns straight into the bracket of the morons who were doing it. 

Millions of people want a fairer more controlled immigration system just like the Australians did. Tarring them all with the same brush and ignoring those concerns clearly isn’t helping. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Ani said:

Of course we do, the two are not mutually exclusive .

You can be concerned about the spiralling cost of immigration without being racist. Do you think the Tories did enough to process asylum cases ? Are you not worried for the people stuck in hotels and hostels in limbo till something happens ? 
As I said Starmer is well placed to do this as he does not have the need to demonise a minority to appease the majority. 
 

Why would you equate tackling issues around immigration as in conflict with anti racism ? The Labour Party have policies on this , they have moved from 'stop the boats' to 'smash the gangs' , they have said they will tackle the back log. Who is objecting to that ? 

I would argue that clearing the back log and letting those with legitimate reason to come here, get jobs and contribute to society ie integrate would be a massive step to reducing  racism and undermining the support for parties like Reform who are a one issue party. 

If we focus on the cost - Labour have a plan to get processing and those that are granted asylum dispersed into social housing and temporary cheaper accommodation round the  country. Get them into jobs etc. It’s basically the only plan.

But that’s not going to satisfy reform or their vote is it? Already they are up in arms about that.

This is the problem. We can’t deal with ‘legitimate’ concerns because they are being amplified by a lot of people who have zero interest in any sort of sensible accommodations or practical solutions.

We need  to smash the gangs and stop the trade but that’s going to take a long time. It’s the right thing to do globally (and needs a lot of international cooperation) but years and years of work. Again not gunboats in the channel stuff so how does that appease many of those voters?

If the economy turns and does well then I suspect it’s a moot point but then global economic indicators especially in the US look dire suddenly. 
 

Im not sure that we can address concerns of voters on the two extremes. All that can be done is sensible and pragmatic governance to try and correct the mess and steer the ship in the right direction. 

 

[CumbrianWhite]

9 hours ago, Cheese said:

Do you know any Muslims, and if so have you told them they're causing you issues?

Why don’t you ask the ask the thousands of victims of Muslim grooming gangs? 
 

Like all of society there’s good and bad, whether you’re Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc. It’s not racist to disagree with the teachings of a religion where a sizeable proportion of its members still actively believe child marriage is ok. 

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, CumbrianWhite said:

Why don’t you ask the ask the thousands of victims of Muslim grooming gangs? 
 

Like all of society there’s good and bad, whether you’re Christian, Catholic, Muslim etc. It’s not racist to disagree with the teachings of a religion where a sizeable proportion of its members still actively believe child marriage is ok. 

Why don't you read things before spouting nonsense. As has been said before the first thing that happens in these sad divisions is the actual facts.

The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending.

 

 

[Not in Crawley]

27 minutes ago, CumbrianWhite said:

Only an idiot can have an issue with a fair controlled immigration system. Ours seems to be neither at the moment.

Smashing up streets is obviously not the answer but it seems like there is an attempt to throw anyone with concerns straight into the bracket of the morons who were doing it. 

Millions of people want a fairer more controlled immigration system just like the Australians did. Tarring them all with the same brush and ignoring those concerns clearly isn’t helping. 

Indeed, but for the last 14 years we've had an underfunded system, and innocent people are being held to account by morons who have been led by populists and grifters.

[London Wanderer]

35 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You are as bad as the knuckle daggers throwing traffic cones at police.

Probably worse. You're the reason it's got to this ridiculous polarised and disgraceful situation.

It was a ridiculous post & yes it only makes polarisation worse.

 But give over

 He’s gone off on an ignorant rant on a footy forum, not assaulted a copper or started dragging immigrants out of cars. 

[London Wanderer]

Anyway

 Wasn’t last night just lovely 🇬🇧

[Not in Crawley]

6 hours ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

I broadly agree with your politics and disagree with Royal's. But this my friend is you in a nutshell. 

So fucking condescending and not half as clever as you think you are.

Labour campaigner in real life. Great advert to vote Reform on here. You are a walking caricature of the 'liberal metropolitan elite' and I'm not even sure it's an act. 

 

 

That's interesting considering you've never met me. Do I think RW is a wind up merchant without the brains to back it up and way too much time on his hands? Yes.

Sorry if you feel that's condescending, but I honestly couldn't give a shit. A long time ago I grew tired of pandering to those who'd 'tell it like it is' and other ill informed, poorly read rubbish.

Also, where you are wrong is that I'm fully aware that I'm simply an average intelligence bloke making his way. But you don't need to be very bright to see some of the stupidity on this thread.

If you look back over the many years you'll see I was annoyed with many of my contemporaries with their arrogance to the Brexit vote and all that ensued, so I'd suggest it's maybe you on your chippy high horse and stop pretending to judge folk from a football forum. Now that is daft.

[wanderer1984]

7 hours ago, royal white said:

I’m guessing you meant worked* or it wouldn’t make sense. 
 

I’m sure Drs, Nurses, Police, Firefighters  pilots etc never work/worked hard and I’m sure they would think you’re a bit of a knob with that comment. 

He's nearly 50 ... Doesn't own a home ... Drives around in a battered car and goes on holiday to see that big wall in Scotland every summer ... But you're a failure RW

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, wanderer1984 said:

He's nearly 50 ... Doesn't own a home ... Drives around in a battered car and goes on holiday to see that big wall in Scotland every summer ... But you're a failure RW

Is that your measure of a successful life? Deary me.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Ani said:

What a fucking stupid response. 

Cut him some slack mate. He is one of the 15 million.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

14 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending.

 

 

But that's mostly because ethnicity isn't recorded

An absence of information rather than an absence of a disparity

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Is that your measure of a successful life? Deary me.

Your measure of success is not having to work shifts. My wife doesn’t agree. Neither do half of my neighbours (hospital workers, one a doctor) A very poor put down. 

[CumbrianWhite]

20 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Indeed, but for the last 14 years we've had an underfunded system, and innocent people are being held to account by morons who have been led by populists and grifters.

Again I’m sure that is the case but those innocents aren’t being helped by the thousands of young blokes arriving on Dinghy’s and throwing their forms of ID, mobile phones etc straight in the sea as soon as they arrive in British waters. 
 

It just simply shouldn’t be happening. I’d much rather we were plucking genuine refugees straight from source than allow in undocumented migrants who arrive here illegally. 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

But that's mostly because ethnicity isn't recorded

An absence of information rather than an absence of a disparity

Indeed - but the fact that it also cuts both ways needs to be understood otherwise you get folk spouting rubbish about it only being an issue for certain demographics.

Which leads apparently to people looting Greggs.

[CumbrianWhite]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

But that's mostly because ethnicity isn't recorded

An absence of information rather than an absence of a disparity

Correct, there certainly isn’t a huge amount of data in the uk.
 

One UK statistic though..

18.5% of the jail population last year was Muslim despite comprising only 6.5% of the uk population. 

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Your measure of success is not having to work shifts. My wife doesn’t agree. Neither do half of my neighbours (hospital workers, one a doctor) A very poor put down. 

No, I work shifts. What is a shift if it's not working nights and loads of unsociable hours? And who ever said I was successful- certainly not me, lord I wish I was and then I'd have more than the 4 days holiday I've had this year 😄

My eldest daughter works shifts, my other half works shifts, my brother in law works shifts.

Its simply a fact that the board's resident twitter claxon likes to pop his head up on the night shift and then tells everyone else how wrong they are despite pretty much all evidence to the contrary.