6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

They'll all be scurrying for the exits after that one.

You're wrong mate

They're doubling down, apparently Islamists are now into Adolf Hitler.....well they both hate Jews, so there is that 😅😅😅😅

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s a close one. The BBC who have had to make numerous apologies over the years because of their lies and mistakes or some numbnut. 

Obviously you'd side with the numbnut, rather than the authorities who've been investigating the case for the last 6 months.

Edited January 21, 20251 yr by Cheese

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Obviously you'd side with the numbnut, rather than the authorities who've been investigating the case for the last 6 months.

Obviously not as I haven’t. One day you might get something right and stop lying. 

41 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The evidence from the authorities is that he was obsessed by extreme violence. Including Hitler, the IRA & Al Qaeda etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx949jzjlyo
 

way wide of the mark to be blaming any particular religion. The police have said that he didn’t follow an ideology.

 The issue is clearly why he wasn’t locked up when his dad stopped him trying to go back to his old school a week before the attack. 

Did the police know about it? 

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

Did the police know about it? 

As of yet, it seems his dad didn't report it.

Just been listening to a former attorney General, and he feels that more information could have been released in this particular case. Not doing so caused a vacuum, which allowed misinformation to materialise.

He discussed the 1981 act that covers this subject, and (paraphrasing) there has to serious risk of having serious impact on a case.

One of those grey areas perhaps.

In particular, the finding of ricin and terror related materials wasn't announced for some considerable time, which was unusual. 

So the lad was obsessed with violence and referred to Prevent where someone decided it was not something that needed further investigation, they have said this was a fuck up. (BTW it really does not matter who running the Govt at this point not sure why folk are getting into that especially on Twitter. )

The cunt then does what he did. There are then lies spread across social media that he has recently arrived on a boat, was an illegal, was a Muslim and was known to MI5 or MI6 on their watch lists. People believed and spread these lies, this includes Farage. A lot of people think this is the straw that breaks the camels back and this leads to the riots. Farage has the gall to now claim he was ‘right along’ as as well as retweeting the false info he also said ‘something is dodgy about the story we’re being told. 
 

The definition used to define ‘terror’ by the authorities includes being aligned to an ideology, he was not he was obsessed with mass violence, that could be Hitler or someone shooting up a school, whiteness killing darkies, Vica verse, one religion on another, just lots of fuckers being slaughtered by anyone. So in that sense it was not terror related, that definition must need to be updated. 

The things that need to be addressed is this story that his dad stopped him going to his old school, who was made aware of this ? 
 

It really is horrific, I do think that the rules and guidance of what can be told to the media in these events need to be reviewed, I get people are innocent till proven guilty but if the consequence is that this leaves a void that is filled by lies and untruths then more damage is done. Certainly smashing up mosques and setting fire to asylum hotels ain’t a good look. 
 

I would also rather the money that will be spent holding him in prison for next 50 years was spent on something more constructive. So give him an injection or if he likes extreme violence just beat him into a pulp. 

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

So the lad was obsessed with violence and referred to Prevent where someone decided it was not something that needed further investigation, they have said this was a fuck up. (BTW it really does not matter who running the Govt at this point not sure why folk are getting into that especially on Twitter. )

The cunt then does what he did. There are then lies spread across social media that he has recently arrived on a boat, was an illegal, was a Muslim and was known to MI5 or MI6 on their watch lists. People believed and spread these lies, this includes Farage. A lot of people think this is the straw that breaks the camels back and this leads to the riots. Farage has the gall to now claim he was ‘right along’ as as well as retweeting the false info he also said ‘something is dodgy about the story we’re being told. 
 

The definition used to define ‘terror’ by the authorities includes being aligned to an ideology, he was not he was obsessed with mass violence, that could be Hitler or someone shooting up a school, whiteness killing darkies, Vica verse, one religion on another, just lots of fuckers being slaughtered by anyone. So in that sense it was not terror related, that definition must need to be updated. 

The things that need to be addressed is this story that his dad stopped him going to his old school, who was made aware of this ? 
 

It really is horrific, I do think that the rules and guidance of what can be told to the media in these events need to be reviewed, I get people are innocent till proven guilty but if the consequence is that this leaves a void that is filled by lies and untruths then more damage is done. Certainly smashing up mosques and setting fire to asylum hotels ain’t a good look. 
 

I would also rather the money that will be spent holding him in prison for next 50 years was spent on something more constructive. So give him an injection or if he likes extreme violence just beat him into a pulp. 

Good summary. Farage still trying to claim that he was right just shows what an utter clown he is. 

37 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

As of yet, it seems his dad didn't report it.

Just been listening to a former attorney General, and he feels that more information could have been released in this particular case. Not doing so caused a vacuum, which allowed misinformation to materialise.

He discussed the 1981 act that covers this subject, and (paraphrasing) there has to serious risk of having serious impact on a case.

One of those grey areas perhaps.

In particular, the finding of ricin and terror related materials wasn't announced for some considerable time, which was unusual. 

Well if he didn’t, which seems to be the case, then he needs fucking off. 

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Well if he didn’t, which seems to be the case, then he needs fucking off. 

Aye.

You would think there may be an offence in that. 

Still, benefit of doubt etc.

2 hours ago, Ani said:

So the lad was obsessed with violence and referred to Prevent where someone decided it was not something that needed further investigation, they have said this was a fuck up. (BTW it really does not matter who running the Govt at this point not sure why folk are getting into that especially on Twitter. )

The cunt then does what he did. There are then lies spread across social media that he has recently arrived on a boat, was an illegal, was a Muslim and was known to MI5 or MI6 on their watch lists. People believed and spread these lies, this includes Farage. A lot of people think this is the straw that breaks the camels back and this leads to the riots. Farage has the gall to now claim he was ‘right along’ as as well as retweeting the false info he also said ‘something is dodgy about the story we’re being told. 
 

The definition used to define ‘terror’ by the authorities includes being aligned to an ideology, he was not he was obsessed with mass violence, that could be Hitler or someone shooting up a school, whiteness killing darkies, Vica verse, one religion on another, just lots of fuckers being slaughtered by anyone. So in that sense it was not terror related, that definition must need to be updated. 

The things that need to be addressed is this story that his dad stopped him going to his old school, who was made aware of this ? 
 

It really is horrific, I do think that the rules and guidance of what can be told to the media in these events need to be reviewed, I get people are innocent till proven guilty but if the consequence is that this leaves a void that is filled by lies and untruths then more damage is done. Certainly smashing up mosques and setting fire to asylum hotels ain’t a good look. 
 

I would also rather the money that will be spent holding him in prison for next 50 years was spent on something more constructive. So give him an injection or if he likes extreme violence just beat him into a pulp. 

Couldn’t have put it better myself

 The fact that people like Farage are claiming victory is bonkers. The evidence we’ve seen today only confirms that he was stirring the pot & spreading shite. As were many others. 
 

The stats from Prevent make interest reading:

In the year to March 2024, there were nearly 7,000 referrals, external made to Prevent in England and Wales.

Where the type of referral was specified, more than a third (2,489) were for individuals assessed as vulnerable but with “no ideology or counter terrorism risk”. 

The second most common type of referral was for “extreme right-wing concerns” (1,314), followed by referrals for ”conflicted ideology” (1,278) and “Islamist ideology” (913).

Of the total number of referrals that year, 7% received additional Channel support. This next level of intervention happens after it’s been assessed that there is a genuine risk of radicalisation.

Clearly these ‘lone actors’ pose the biggest threat & many are just passing through a broken system.

Right wing extremism appears to be massive threat as well, was surprised to see it above Islamic extremism.

Get social media banned until 18 for a start.

And if his dad didn’t tell anyone about the school plan until after the murders, then he can get locked up as well. 

4 hours ago, PatrickBateman said:

What a load of fucking bollocks.

He was into Hitler? You're really going to go down that route?

To quote Alan Partridge - no way, you big spastic, you're a mentalist

Some day you’re having on here lad. Do you read the news & police statements or just look at Twitter nonsense all day ?? 
 

“He attended the Range High School in Formby where he began having problems with violence in Year 9.

Fellow pupils remember him having an obsession with despotic figures including Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler. He is also known to have accessed information about the IRA.”

The police have literally released statements saying he was obsessed with multiple sources of extreme violence, rather than one specific ideology. 
 

Get with it lad x

4 hours ago, PatrickBateman said:

Stamer says it? Must be true then, eh?

The same KS who has vowed to keep our children safe with wide-open borders and random men sitting in hotels without passports.

You and your cronies were praying he was a local, so you could scream about white supremacists.

If a school full of Muslims got killed by Mr Smith would you be jumping to his defence? Would you fuck and you know it.

I didn't agree with rioting btw although I did witness GMP giving a mob of tooled up Muslims an escort to Bolton town centre to kick off. 

Just admit it, you hate the working-class and celebrate them getting vilified by your lefty chums at the BBC.

What a post 😂😂

Where have I defended him you fucking loony?? 
 

‘But, but … Whatabout Mr. Smith & the Muslim girls’. What are you rambling on about 😂

Are you okay? X 

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Some day you’re having on here lad. Do you read the news & police statements or just look at Twitter nonsense all day ?? 
 

“He attended the Range High School in Formby where he began having problems with violence in Year 9.

Fellow pupils remember him having an obsession with despotic figures including Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler. He is also known to have accessed information about the IRA.”

The police have literally released statements saying he was obsessed with multiple sources of extreme violence, rather than one specific ideology. 
 

Get with it lad x

What a post 😂😂

Where have I defended him you fucking loony?? 
 

‘But, but … Whatabout Mr. Smith & the Muslim girls’. What are you rambling on about 😂

Are you okay? X 

It's also the most reductionist and patronising view of the working class of the UK I've read in a while.

People keep wanting to say it’s either labours or conservatives fault but when are the police going to take some blame. 10 times this fucker had admitted to carrying a knife, along with numerous other red flags. 
 

You can’t blame the general public being pissed off at the sentences being dished out after the riots whilst this cunt was allowed to do what he did. 

9 hours ago, PatrickBateman said:

You're wrong mate

They're doubling down, apparently Islamists are now into Adolf Hitler.....well they both hate Jews, so there is that 😅😅😅😅

There have been clear historical links between Palestinians and the IRA. Both were on Hitlers side during WW2 (even though De Valera's Ireland denied it and claimed 'neutrality'). Some of Hitlers henchmen were given shelter in Ireland after the war before most fucked off to Paraguay or other South American hidey holes.

Maybe Axel The Taff got his inspiration from a Hitler/IRA/Islamist triumvirate?

8 hours ago, Ani said:

So the lad was obsessed with violence and referred to Prevent where someone decided it was not something that needed further investigation, they have said this was a fuck up. (BTW it really does not matter who running the Govt at this point not sure why folk are getting into that especially on Twitter. )

The cunt then does what he did. There are then lies spread across social media that he has recently arrived on a boat, was an illegal

You missed a very salient point or two in your 'Prevent' comment. He was referred to them 3 times and some gobshite quango dweller decided on each occasion that "he didn't meet the threshold".

So there's a fucking documented threshold is there? No doubt arrived at by the same sort of worthless cunt who arrives at 'quotas' for workforce composition rather than employing the best person for the job (all in the interests of 'diversity and inclusion').

Hopefully this sort of utter bullshit will be swept away in a global wave of returning common sense.

30 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You missed a very salient point or two in your 'Prevent' comment. He was referred to them 3 times and some gobshite quango dweller decided on each occasion that "he didn't meet the threshold".

So there's a fucking documented threshold is there? No doubt arrived at by the same sort of worthless cunt who arrives at 'quotas' for workforce composition rather than employing the best person for the job (all in the interests of 'diversity and inclusion').

Hopefully this sort of utter bullshit will be swept away in a global wave of returning common sense.

Not sure what you are saying I missed o said he was referred and nothing done, that was the fuck up. The criteria they were using was that it was not ‘terror’ because he was not aligned to a specific ideology. What has been said today is that logic is clearly flawed, here and more so abroad (US) there are more and more cases and what always seem to be young males obsessed with violence and seem to want to just kill folk. 
 

What really scares me is how long before a kid in this country gets a couple of guns and walks into a school ? 

4 hours ago, royal white said:

People keep wanting to say it’s either labours or conservatives fault but when are the police going to take some blame. 10 times this fucker had admitted to carrying a knife, along with numerous other red flags. 
 

You can’t blame the general public being pissed off at the sentences being dished out after the riots whilst this cunt was allowed to do what he did. 

I said in my earlier post who was in Government is pretty irrelevant. The PM and cabinet are not reasonable for the decisions made at ‘ground level’. I do think it is more than the police though, they are not the ones assessing how fucked up people are. 

Edited January 21, 20251 yr by Ani

9 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Just been listening to a former attorney General, and he feels that more information could have been released in this particular case. Not doing so caused a vacuum, which allowed misinformation to materialise.

He discussed the 1981 act that covers this subject, and (paraphrasing) there has to serious risk of having serious impact on a case.

 

Whilst the chair of the criminal bar association says it wasnt worth the risk and the govt/police/media played it by the book

The vacuum was exploited by many, inc nigel the cunt, which is disappointing

Maybe i should just lower my expectations where he is concerned?

6 hours ago, Ani said:

Not sure what you are saying I missed o said he was referred and nothing done, that was the fuck up. The criteria they were using was that it was not ‘terror’ because he was not aligned to a specific ideology. What has been said today is that logic is clearly flawed, here and more so abroad (US) there are more and more cases and what always seem to be young males obsessed with violence and seem to want to just kill folk. 
 

What really scares me is how long before a kid in this country gets a couple of guns and walks into a school ? 

Yep, and it should scare all of us. There must be a big possibility that this will happen somewhere along the line.

Do some of these misguided killers think that this stuff is their shot at infamy/immortality?

6 hours ago, Casino said:

Whilst the chair of the criminal bar association says it wasnt worth the risk and the govt/police/media played it by the book

The vacuum was exploited by many, inc nigel the cunt, which is disappointing

Maybe i should just lower my expectations where he is concerned?

No, just get some spectacles capable of focussing FFS.

6 hours ago, Casino said:

Whilst the chair of the criminal bar association says it wasnt worth the risk and the govt/police/media played it by the book

The vacuum was exploited by many, inc nigel the cunt, which is disappointing

Maybe i should just lower my expectations where he is concerned?

Meanwhile others saying they didn't.

It's all well and good saying certain information can't be revealed pre trial, but it didn't stop our PM immediately saying everyone in the riots were far right.

Whether factually correct or not, at the time he didnt know for sure and expressed an "opinion".

They knew for 3 months that they'd found ricin and terror materials. 

Those are facts, not an opinions, and were seemingly suppressed. No reason that that information couldn't be released.

The vacuum can't be exploited if it doesn't exist.

It is good though, that folk do acknowledge it did exist. 

Hopefully, a proper inquiry will reveal who and why undertook such action.

So, it now appears that Merseyside Police did want to reveal more details about this.

However the CPS blocked it.

Questions..

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

So, it now appears that Merseyside Police did want to reveal more details about this.

However the CPS blocked it.

Questions..

Merseyside Pollice aren't experts in getting convictions so rightly so. 

The terrifying rise of child terrorists in the UK – and why a ‘successful’ attack looks inevitable

Daily Telegraph, 10/01/2025

Thirteen at the time of his first crime, the youngest person to have committed a terrorist offence on UK soil was a boy from Cornwall. In 2018 and 2019, he became, in effect, an online influencer – flogging not sports gear or street food, but extremism. From his grandmother’s cottage, the teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, tried to build an AK47, and called for Jews to be gassed and gay people to be hanged. A Nazi slogan was found painted on the garden shed. Before admitting to two counts of dissemination of terrorist documents and 10 of possession of terrorist material in 2021, he had been intent on setting up his own branch of the white supremacist “Feuerkrieg Division” – an international neo-Nazi group promoting the idea that society will collapse into racial warfare.

 

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Yep, and it should scare all of us. There must be a big possibility that this will happen somewhere along the line.

Do some of these misguided killers think that this stuff is their shot at infamy/immortality?

Bloke on telly yesterday said (from memory so apologies if not 100%) Prevent have been referred over 1500 kids who had talked about school massacres. 
Based on the info as not tied to an ideology they would be ‘rejected’ 

Most will fantasists but Jesus only 1% would mean there are 15 kids actively thinking about this that they know of. Lots of evidence from States that these kids are encouraged by stories of others and trying to beat their ‘score’.