6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Yes I can do that but I didn't because a great many people had a lot to say about the judgement at the time without knowing the reasoning of the judge who made the decision.

I had thought people would have wanted to read his reasoning and that why I posted it all in full.

I posted the link to the source also so that anyone can see for themselves it was genuine (I know most people these days seem to believe what they read on social media as gospel (whether it be true or utter bullshit).

I'm quite disappointed that the good folk of this forum seem to be angry at me for posting something up that must take all of about 3 minutes to read than be in anyway at all interested in something they had spent hours on here posting about (only a week or so ago) based on just one side of the story.

Even our beloved Prime Minister went public and said it was an 'appalling' case and "right" that the sentences the judge issued was being reviewed.

(I would normally link to to the source but I gather it isn't 'de rigueur to do so on here).

It will be interesting to see (at least for me) what the review of the sentencing may bring.

I'm sure there are other facts that aren't fully in the public domain that will also be considered as the sentencing is reviewed by the Attorney General such as the professional analysis of the individual boys behaviour (before and since being arrested) and their intelligence.

What sort of response will there be if the sentence is confirmed as correct for instance?

If the sentence is toughened would that be because the judge got it wrong or has there been political pressure brought to bear in someway (the government would want to be seem to be hard on crime (especially rape of children) would they not?

Is it right to punish someone for doing something wrong (rape in this case) when they haven't got the capacity to know right from wrong (their mentality being in lowest 1% of their age group).

Should we just just euthanise the dregs of society (and our visitors arriving on the black rubber dinghy's, might as well chuck in the Muslims as well, oh and people who write long posts) and be done with it?

Who knows?

Disappointed that people are more bothered about me writing another post that might take 3 minutes to read, than learn about the reasons why the judge give the sentence that most of the country (and many on here) were angry and upset about.

Disappointed yes but regrettably not at all surprised.

Seems to be the most heinous thing you can do on here unfortunately for me.

How many gypsy kids will fall into this category? If the sentence stays the same you’re pretty much giving them the green light to do as they like.

On 04/06/2026 at 20:55, Winchester White said:

You know the answer already.

Rupert Lowe is an over educated idiot who like Farage accepts a lot of overseas money to make waves politically in the UK.

Over educated?

What the hell is that- one minute slagging off a bloke in Makerfield for being a bit numb, then accusing folk of being too educated?

Truly ridiculous.

Moreover, Lowe is the only MP who doesn't take his salary- he is wealthy enough not to.

Don't know about his party's funding specifically, but in general they can take funds from wherever so long as it's above board.

36 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Yes I can do that

That was a sufficient reply

52 minutes ago, royal white said:

How many gypsy kids will fall into this category? If the sentence stays the same you’re pretty much giving them the green light to do as they like.

to be fair they already do

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

How many gypsy kids will fall into this category? If the sentence stays the same you’re pretty much giving them the green light to do as they like.

???

I'm giving no green light.

I'm merely asking if the judge made the right or wrong or was he simply following the sentencing guidelines and if so were they wrong?

If you want my opinion he went by the sentencing guidelines BUT the guidelines never envisaged a scenario like this (I mean how could civilised people drafting up such guidelines think how feral moronic juveniles might one day act?).

I believe the judge did what he honestly thought was for the best (youth detention rather than trying them as adults) and then being constrained by youth sentencing guidelines.

Could the sentencing been tougher under youth sentencing guidelines, I don't know, but I imagine if it could it will be what the review of this sentence will become.

At the end of the day the judiciary apply the law,

They don't make the law, that is Parliaments job.

If the government (any government) wants to crack down on law and order, then they have to legislate accordingly, and in turn the judiciary will apply tougher sentences.

That is how the system works.

The next problem is where do we put all these prisoners we are now cracking down on?

Not much point sentencing people then letting them out before their sentences are served, I understand the judiciary have recently been told not to sentence anyone to jail for less than a year because there is no space in the prison system for them.

If so more prison space need to be made available. more police to police the streets and more courts to deal immediately with those that need to be tried.

None of that is happening, there is zero deterrence anywhere.

The system is broken.

Do I have a fix for it, no I don't.

Maybe you have one, I'd be interested to hear it if you have.

Maybe we should start euthanising all that are a waste of space to society, but what an extremely dangerous path to go down, I believe some Germans tried an Aryan experiment in the middle of the last century and that didn't go down to well (I refer you to Martin Niemöller poem).

The problem isn't the judges, or Starmer, or anybody in particular, the problem is that society has broken down where lying, cheating, stealing and everything else is now the norm.

We have Trump who is trashing democracy in the US

Farage (maybe our future PM) with £5m in his pocket from a dodgy crypto mate of his,

Randy Andy having his titles stripped away but not put on a plane to face his accusers in the US

Putin bombing civilians in Ukraine for the last four years.

Netanyahu basically waging a genocide,

Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah wanting to do similar to the Jews.

Now children raping children.

That's the world we now live in

Christ I'm vilified on here for posting anything longer than a goldfish can remember.

You all should count yourselves lucky that I'm the worst thing you have to face on here.

I don't know how to put the world right.

Do you?

And I don't expect the judge thought he done much wrong by following the sentencing guidelines for children.

Do you think he did, if so what should he have done under the laws and guidance he has to apply?

Your turn.

7 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

???

I'm giving no green light.

I'm merely asking if the judge made the right or wrong or was he simply following the sentencing guidelines and if so were they wrong?

If you want my opinion he went by the sentencing guidelines BUT the guidelines never envisaged a scenario like this (I mean how could civilised people drafting up such guidelines think how feral moronic juveniles might one day act?).

I believe the judge did what he honestly thought was for the best (youth detention rather than trying them as adults) and then being constrained by youth sentencing guidelines.

Could the sentencing been tougher under youth sentencing guidelines, I don't know, but I imagine if it could it will be what the review of this sentence will become.

At the end of the day the judiciary apply the law,

They don't make the law, that is Parliaments job.

If the government (any government) wants to crack down on law and order, then they have to legislate accordingly, and in turn the judiciary will apply tougher sentences.

That is how the system works.

The next problem is where do we put all these prisoners we are now cracking down on?

Not much point sentencing people then letting them out before their sentences are served, I understand the judiciary have recently been told not to sentence anyone to jail for less than a year because there is no space in the prison system for them.

If so more prison space need to be made available. more police to police the streets and more courts to deal immediately with those that need to be tried.

None of that is happening, there is zero deterrence anywhere.

The system is broken.

Do I have a fix for it, no I don't.

Maybe you have one, I'd be interested to hear it if you have.

Maybe we should start euthanising all that are a waste of space to society, but what an extremely dangerous path to go down, I believe some Germans tried an Aryan experiment in the middle of the last century and that didn't go down to well (I refer you to Martin Niemöller poem).

The problem isn't the judges, or Starmer, or anybody in particular, the problem is that society has broken down where lying, cheating, stealing and everything else is now the norm.

We have Trump who is trashing democracy in the US

Farage (maybe our future PM) with £5m in his pocket from a dodgy crypto mate of his,

Randy Andy having his titles stripped away but not put on a plane to face his accusers in the US

Putin bombing civilians in Ukraine for the last four years.

Netanyahu basically waging a genocide,

Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah wanting to do similar to the Jews.

Now children raping children.

That's the world we now live in

Christ I'm vilified on here for posting anything longer than a goldfish can remember.

You all should count yourselves lucky that I'm the worst thing you have to face on here.

I don't know how to put the world right.

Do you?

And I don't expect the judge thought he done much wrong by following the sentencing guidelines for children.

Do you think he did, if so what should he have done under the laws and guidance he has to apply?

Your turn.

Nobody is saying you are, unless you’re a judge.

Couldn’t be bothered reading the rest if I’m honest .

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nobody is saying you are, unless you’re a judge.

Couldn’t be bothered reading the rest if I’m honest .

I think you probably already have, if I'm honest.

Thanks for the reply though.

Good night.

7 hours ago, royal white said:

It’s not exclusive to white people

He obviously completely missed the P'akistani rape gang scandal then.

6 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Says thick blokes since the dawn of time. Not you, obvs.

You only missed 'racist' and you'd have won Brexit bingo again.

The usual tack.

5 hours ago, Sluffy said:

Yes I can do that but I didn't because a great many people had a lot to say about the judgement at the time without knowing the reasoning of the judge who made the decision.

I had thought people would have wanted to read his reasoning and that why I posted it all in full.

I posted the link to the source also so that anyone can see for themselves it was genuine (I know most people these days seem to believe what they read on social media as gospel (whether it be true or utter bullshit).

I'm quite disappointed that the good folk of this forum seem to be angry at me for posting something up that must take all of about 3 minutes to read than be in anyway at all interested in something they had spent hours on here posting about (only a week or so ago) based on just one side of the story.

Even our beloved Prime Minister went public and said it was an 'appalling' case and "right" that the sentences the judge issued was being reviewed.

(I would normally link to to the source but I gather it isn't 'de rigueur to do so on here).

It will be interesting to see (at least for me) what the review of the sentencing may bring.

I'm sure there are other facts that aren't fully in the public domain that will also be considered as the sentencing is reviewed by the Attorney General such as the professional analysis of the individual boys behaviour (before and since being arrested) and their intelligence.

What sort of response will there be if the sentence is confirmed as correct for instance?

If the sentence is toughened would that be because the judge got it wrong or has there been political pressure brought to bear in someway (the government would want to be seem to be hard on crime (especially rape of children) would they not?

Is it right to punish someone for doing something wrong (rape in this case) when they haven't got the capacity to know right from wrong (their mentality being in lowest 1% of their age group).

Should we just just euthanise the dregs of society (and our visitors arriving on the black rubber dinghy's, might as well chuck in the Muslims as well, oh and people who write long posts) and be done with it?

Who knows?

Disappointed that people are more bothered about me writing another post that might take 3 minutes to read, than learn about the reasons why the judge give the sentence that most of the country (and many on here) were angry and upset about.

Disappointed yes but regrettably not at all surprised.

Seems to be the most heinous thing you can do on here unfortunately for me.

Losing the will to live..........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............

4 hours ago, Sluffy said:

I think you probably already have, if I'm honest.

Thanks for the reply though.

Good night.

Let joy be unconfined.

19 hours ago, royal white said:

Remember last week when we had the locals and everyone agreed it was all about Pot holes and cleaning dog shit up……now everyone wants a plumber to explain how you’re getting 30k cops on the beat 😆

I do and I was one of those who pointed out that a councillor's role wasn't national politics, but this allegedly racist, sexist plumber does want to play national politics.

19 hours ago, royal white said:

Remember last week when we had the locals and everyone agreed it was all about Pot holes and cleaning dog shit up……now everyone wants a plumber to explain how you’re getting 30k cops on the beat 😆

Hopefully they have enough Nigerians in Makerfield.

Two thumbs on one hand. On point for Wigan though.

14 hours ago, royal white said:

It’s not exclusive to white people

I get that

But Tommy Robinson was referring to white people being second class citizens . Farage spoke about the rights & privilege of white people being less than ethnic minorities.

which I why I brought it up

Do you agree with them ? Where are we seeing this widespread two tier policing ?

Because without examples across the legal system- it just looks like exaggerated nonsense to stir up the electorate

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

I get that

But Tommy Robinson was referring to white people being second class citizens . Farage spoke about the rights & privilege of white people being less than ethnic minorities.

which I why I brought it up

Do you agree with them ? Where are we seeing this widespread two tier policing ?

Because without examples across the legal system- it just looks like exaggerated nonsense to stir up the electorate

I wasn’t talking about Tommy or Nigel, I was speaking about an ex high ranking officer who said he can see where it comes from with the way the guidelines are printed.

2 hours ago, royal white said:

I wasn’t talking about Tommy or Nigel, I was speaking about an ex high ranking officer who said he can see where it comes from with the way the guidelines are printed.

Where what comes from ? Where is 'two tier policing' taking place across our justice system? What widespread policing examples did the officer give reference to?

Genuinely curious to know where the evidence is on this one. Happy to have my mind changed as well. But I'm yet to see anything concrete showing it's as big a problem as is being made out.

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Where what comes from ? Where is 'two tier policing' taking place across our justice system? What widespread policing examples did the officer give reference to?

Genuinely curious to know where the evidence is on this one. Happy to have my mind changed as well. But I'm yet to see anything concrete showing it's as big a problem as is being made out.

He heard one "ex high ranking officer" say it on an un-named radio program. Just trust him and stop asking for actual evidence, you traitorous swine.

Edited Saturday at 15:391 day by Cheese

18 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Over educated?

What the hell is that- one minute slagging off a bloke in Makerfield for being a bit numb, then accusing folk of being too educated?

Truly ridiculous.

Moreover, Lowe is the only MP who doesn't take his salary- he is wealthy enough not to.

Don't know about his party's funding specifically, but in general they can take funds from wherever so long as it's above board.

I haven't "slagged" the Reform candidate for Makerfield as I know of? His past history online will be an issue but if he makes it then fair play, he won his seat. I just hope he attends Parliament and votes in our Parliamentary democracy more often than Farage who has an appalling record.

As for Lowe, being numb and privately educated is perfectly compatible as his regular misguided tweets illustrate completely.

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

He heard one "ex high ranking officer" say it on an un-named radio program. Just trust him and stop asking for actual evidence, you traitorous swine.

909 two days ago, crack on if you want to follow it up.

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Where what comes from ? Where is 'two tier policing' taking place across our justice system? What widespread policing examples did the officer give reference to?

Genuinely curious to know where the evidence is on this one. Happy to have my mind changed as well. But I'm yet to see anything concrete showing it's as big a problem as is being made out.

The term 2 tier policing and why some forces may have participated in it. He didn’t give examples he was talking about the guidelines which he said were sloppy, exactky as I said a few posts ago.

Edited Saturday at 17:411 day by royal white

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

I haven't "slagged" the Reform candidate for Makerfield as I know of? His past history online will be an issue but if he makes it then fair play, he won his seat. I just hope he attends Parliament and votes in our Parliamentary democracy more often than Farage who has an appalling record.

As for Lowe, being numb and privately educated is perfectly compatible as his regular misguided tweets illustrate completely.

If I privately educated my kid and they ended up at Reading, I’d want my fucking money back

Two tier policing exists all over the shop. Presumptuous nature is part of our make up.

1 hour ago, royal white said:

The term 2 tier policing and why some forces may have participated in it. He didn’t give examples he was talking about the guidelines which he said were sloppy, exactky as I said a few posts ago.

Maybe - I've not read the guidelines. Don't doubt he knows a lot about changes in his field.

Question is are these guidelines leading to 'two tier policing' ? If so where is it happening and what examples is there that it is an issue?

55 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Two tier policing exists all over the shop. Presumptuous nature is part of our make up.

Aye

Bit of difference between unconscious bias and 'two tier' policing though to be fair.

Let's be honest, the only people who perpetuate this stuff are folk who claim 'left wing' protestors receive preferential treatment from the police and justice system. Whilst also arguing that white people are now being treated harsher for crimes compared to ethnic minorities.

Doesn't add up for me. There's not enough evidence of it happening.

If it is then I'm happy to hold my hands up and embrace Tommy and Nigel and the modern day Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.

Liberate the white man 😄