December 3, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, bolty58 said: Great post. I often ask taxi drivers down here - "If you don't mine me asking..." Never had an adverse reply and once I have the answer it is usually me following up with "Oh, great footballing country, do you remember ............. scoring that goal against ........... at the ...... World Cup?" or similar. Usually makes for good conversation (sometimes great conversation) all the way home. Just interested as you say but, thanks to fuckwits who constantly seek something to complicate life or be outraged about, we now have to feel like criminals for being perfectly civil. Fuck off, I am not playing that game. The point is, even you would drop it if the taxi driver didn't want to engage. Lady Snooty Bollocks didn't for some reason.
December 3, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, mickbrown said: The point is, even you would drop it if the taxi driver didn't want to engage. Lady Snooty Bollocks didn't for some reason. Possibly; we only have one side of the story.
December 3, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Possibly; we only have one side of the story. Aye true. I'm going off that transcript. Only just sussed this is you. Good to have you back BD as was👍
December 3, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: Of course it raises race as as a premise. Sorry, I don't agree with your contention at all, and I think you back up the position again. It's amazing to me how many white men find it difficult to understand that maybe they need to listen more, and understand their position in society. Slagged off After Life and Shed 7. If I can't trust your judgement on telly and music, I'll be buggered if I accept your reading recommendations too. 😉
December 3, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Aye true. I'm going off that transcript. Only just sussed this is you. Good to have you back BD as was👍 Cheers, pal, never really went away, just couldn’t log on. @Casinosorted access out, over a couple of months! I’m still BD, otherwise I’d have to change all of my financial log ins!
December 3, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, CambridgeBWFC said: Is it just White men that have this issue with listening? It is amazing how much you seem to garner from a single post. But anyway I am listening and trying to understand, my thoughts on this one book are that in some aspects it over simplifies wider societal issues, which rather than bringing people along together will actively drive position apart. Which does concern me as it will stop people listening. I am putting to much on what one book can do, it was not meant to be a scholarly review, and that is my error. But I am certainly not dismissing this entirely No, it's about race in general and about how the underlying innate issue of race is still at the core of society. Also its not just one book, there are whole areas of academic study. This is just a polemic that really touched upon these social issues in a very understandable and relatable way; it's also putting a marker down and saying it'd not her issue if society is structured in this way but she is drawing a line, and as I say thus thread totally backs up her position. Anyway, as ive always said, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on a football forum, for me I'm just finding the reaction to this interesting.
December 3, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: No, it's about race in general and about how the underlying innate issue of race is still at the core of society. Also its not just one book, there are whole areas of academic study. This is just a polemic that really touched upon these social issues in a very understandable and relatable way; it's also putting a marker down and saying it'd not her issue if society is structured in this way but she is drawing a line, and as I say thus thread totally backs up her position. Anyway, as ive always said, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on a football forum, for me I'm just finding the reaction to this interesting. What I find interesting is this argument that white males can’t seem to understand why this was racist. It was a white female what said it guv’nor
December 3, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Spider said: What I find interesting is this argument that white males can’t seem to understand why this was racist. It was a white female what said it guv’nor Got nowt to do with gender though.
December 3, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: No, it's about race in general and about how the underlying innate issue of race is still at the core of society. Also its not just one book, there are whole areas of academic study. This is just a polemic that really touched upon these social issues in a very understandable and relatable way; it's also putting a marker down and saying it'd not her issue if society is structured in this way but she is drawing a line, and as I say thus thread totally backs up her position. Anyway, as ive always said, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on a football forum, for me I'm just finding the reaction to this interesting. See Im with you but I'd have it narrowed down to certain generations. I reckon the average 80odd year old holds a lot more unintentional racist thinking than your average 30 year old does. If this was a younger person acting the way she did I reckon Itd be a lot more frowned upon.
December 3, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, gonzo said: See Im with you but I'd have it narrowed down to certain generations. I reckon the average 80odd year old holds a lot more unintentional racist thinking than your average 30 year old does. If this was a younger person acting the way she did I reckon Itd be a lot more frowned upon. Yeah, society moves on, demographics change and views shift. I think its good to discuss these things even if people disagree because at least it is being talked about.
December 3, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Yeah, society moves on, demographics change and views shift. I think its good to discuss these things even if people disagree because at least it is being talked about. 100%. Maybe the lass might have been better going down the discussion route. Educate and open the issue up rather than it going to the papers and letting it get all polarised.
December 3, 20223 yr On 02/12/2022 at 18:47, Tonge moor green jacket said: Does lady Hussey have such heritage then? She is William Waldegrave's elder sister.
December 4, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, gonzo said: 100%. Maybe the lass might have been better going down the discussion route. Educate and open the issue up rather than it going to the papers and letting it get all polarised. She only wanted to go down the route she did and why anyone with half a brain computes that and gives her short shrift. Edited December 4, 20223 yr by Mounts Kipper
December 4, 20223 yr 23 hours ago, gonzo said: 100%. Maybe the lass might have been better going down the discussion route. Educate and open the issue up rather than it going to the papers and letting it get all polarised. She did educate, she did discuss. 9 pages on here. Would have been nothing if she’d just had a quiet word. Fair play to her. not everyone will listen but some have. The Royal Family have.
December 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: She did educate, she did discuss. 9 pages on here. Would have been nothing if she’d just had a quiet word. Fair play to her. not everyone will listen but some have. The Royal Family have. That’s just bollocks
December 4, 20223 yr Just now, globaldiver said: That’s just bollocks I agree. She didn’t educate, she ran straight to the papers.
December 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, MickyD said: I agree. She didn’t educate, she ran straight to the papers. Exactly to say she educated was to agree it was racism, and we’ve only heard one side of the story. Conscious or unconscious bias.
December 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, globaldiver said: That’s just bollocks She went to the paper because it would get more publicity, which is what happened. It got people talking far more than if she’d written a nice letter to the Royals. She also got an apology. The usuals think it’s over sensitive woke bollocks and that she should have kept quiet and not answered back, but that’s to be expected. She’s got plenty sympathy from the public & many have related. Baby steps. Some of the work her domestic abuse charity is also exceptional. The usuals will label her an over sensitive liberal do gooder. She’s done more than most. Again, fair play to her.
December 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: She did educate, she did discuss. 9 pages on here. Would have been nothing if she’d just had a quiet word. Fair play to her. not everyone will listen but some have. The Royal Family have. Not sure who ‘she’ is. Marlene Headley, Ngozi Fulani or Lady Hussey. It’s all a bit confusing.
December 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: She went to the paper because it would get more publicity, which is what happened. It got people talking far more than if she’d written a nice letter to the Royals. She also got an apology. The usuals think it’s over sensitive woke bollocks and that she should have kept quiet and not answered back, but that’s to be expected. She’s got plenty sympathy from the public & many have related. Baby steps. Some of the work her domestic abuse charity is also exceptional. The usuals will label her an over sensitive liberal do gooder. She’s done more than most. Again, fair play to her. I haven’t said that it was or wasn’t racism, because we aren’t armed with all of the facts. @mickbrownsaw this early on. You seem to have concluded that it was. Your assumed concluded view is really nonsense. Edited December 4, 20223 yr by globaldiver
December 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: She went to the paper because it would get more publicity, which is what happened. It got people talking far more than if she’d written a nice letter to the Royals. She also got an apology. The usuals think it’s over sensitive woke bollocks and that she should have kept quiet and not answered back, but that’s to be expected. She’s got plenty sympathy from the public & many have related. Baby steps. Some of the work her domestic abuse charity is also exceptional. The usuals will label her an over sensitive liberal do gooder. She’s done more than most. Again, fair play to her. Who are the usuals? Tell us about this exceptional work that’s she’s done.
December 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, globaldiver said: I haven’t said that it was or wasn’t racism, because we aren’t armed with all of the facts. @mickbrownsaw this early on. You seem to have concluded that it was. Your assumed concluded view is really nonsense. Why would there have been a resignation and apology if it was all completely fabricated? Pretty strong evidence that. It's no major drama - an apology was given and it's pretty low down on the racism scale. More of an assumption based on colour. We all do it subconsciously, but this lady has taken it to the next level with her insistence. Not really for folk on here to decide whether it's education or not. Some people have listened and learnt a little more about why folk find it offensive. Others haven't and that's fair enough.
December 4, 20223 yr Just now, London Wanderer said: Why would there have been a resignation and apology if it was all completely fabricated? Pretty strong evidence that. It's no major drama - an apology was given and it's pretty low down on the racism scale. More of an assumption based on colour. We all do it subconsciously, but this lady has taken it to the next level with her insistence. Not really for folk on here to decide whether it's education or not. Some people have listened and learnt a little more about why folk find it offensive. Others haven't and that's fair enough. Thanks for proving my point.
December 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Not really for folk on here to decide whether it's education or not. Oh and, by the way, you said a few minutes ago that she educated.
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