These Fucking Civil Servants Who Encourage Child Abuse

[Smiffs]

Seen the report about the grooming in Oxfordshire...not one of the civil servants who are there to protect the children and uphold the law is likely to face action for 'wilful neglect'. Not even started on the bent coppers who would sooner hand out speeding tickets than deal with rape victims in their stations.

 

373 offences and nobody carries the can? Fuck off.

 

Blaming the victims as 'troublesome and precocious'? 'Professional tolerance' to rape. Fuck off.

 

Just fuck off.

 

They're as bad as the beasts carrying out the abuse, a few will get shuffled into different posts, but all will carry on into their luxury state funded pensions blissfully ignorant of what they have done.

 

Cunts.

 

 

[no balls]

I see one is being made redundant. Not sacked, redundant. Fucking bitch.

[kent_white]

Beggars belief really. We're in agreement on this one Smiffs - turning a blind eye almost makes you an accomplice as far as I'm concerned.

[Guest]

I see one is being made redundant. Not sacked, redundant. Fucking bitch.

 

 

How on earth do we let them get away with this?

[dpr halliwell]

60 learning points and 13 recommendations.

 

I wonder what they will be im sure it won't recommend that people should be held accountable. Cunts the lot of them.

 

I bet that bint can't wait to get her redundancy money

[Drew Peacock]

How could Alrincham Grammar make Fred the weatherman resign as they knew what he was up to, but not report it to the police.

 

It beggars belief!!

[MalcolmW]

60 learning points and 13 recommendations.

 

I wonder what they will be im sure it won't recommend that people should be held accountable. Cunts the lot of them.

 

I bet that bint can't wait to get her redundancy money

 

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APPENDIX 1: COLLATED SCR LEARNING POINTS

From ‘Were mistakes made?’

Lack of understanding led to insufficient inquiry

 National guidance was not widely understood or followed

 The behaviour of the girls was interpreted through eyes, and a language, which saw them as young adults rather than children, and therefore assumed they had control of their actions

 At times, their accounts were disbelieved or thought to be exaggerated

 What happened to the girls was not recognised as being as terrible as it was because of the view that saw them as consenting, or bringing problems upon themselves, and the victims were often hostile to and dismissive of staff

 As a result the girls were sometimes treated without common courtesies, and as one victim described it by ‘snide remarks’

 There was insufficient understanding of the law around consent, and an apparent tolerance of (or failure to be alarmed by) unlawful sexual activity

 There was insufficient understanding of parental reaction to their children’s behaviour and missing, so distraught, desperate and terrified parents were sometimes seen as part of the problem

 There was insufficient curiosity about what was happening to the girls, or to investigate further incidents or concerns which, on review, now appear to be crimes or something for formal child protection investigation

 Although there were very few formal disclosures, there were many, often stark, indications that what was happening to them was extreme and out of the ordinary

 There was insufficient attention to investigating and disrupting the activities of the alleged perpetrators (compared to the effort to contain the girls behaviour), and various available legal tools were not used.

 There was insufficient understanding of how the City Council’s community safety function could contribute to the prevention and management of CSE

Day-to-day processes were not strong enough

 Insufficient use was made of Child Protection processes, and staff sometimes allowed parental reaction to prevent Child Protection processes being used

 Processes in CSC, such as supervision and the quality of reviews, were not strong, especially 2006-9

 Minutes of multi-agency meetings and review were largely of low quality or missing, which weakened planning and information sharing

 Recording of ‘crimes’ was inconsistent

 Transfer of educational records between schools was poor

 The provision of alternative education after exclusion, or of post-secure placement education, was slow

 In health, there was insufficient sharing of information heard from or about the girls (often for ‘confidentiality’) and LAC medicals were often done without full knowledge of history and context

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The organisational response in Oxfordshire was weak and lacked overview

 Escalation about serious concerns about looked after children and emerging patterns did not reach governing body level or Chief Officers for several years after they had begun to emerge in 2005, and again 2006-10

 When some signs reached the ACPC and OSCB in 2005 and 2007 respectively there was insufficient curiosity and no follow through

 The OSCB, before late 2011, did not lead the scoping, understanding and prevention of CSE after the 2009 statutory guidance, and member agencies who comprise the OSCB share that responsibility

 Whilst before 2010 there was much less recognition of the connectedness of cases, or the organised nature of perpetrators, both within and across agencies, the growing awareness in 2010 still did not reach top management or the OSCB

 Before 2011 there were fewer processes in place to help form a force-wide Police view of developing problems

 There was a gap of one to two months between senior managers being aware of the bigger picture, or at least the strong likelihood of a bigger picture in late 2010, and very top management being informed

From ‘What was missing organisationally in Oxfordshire’

 The risks an OSCB runs if it does not have robust processes for

- acting on new guidance

- performance monitoring to ensure actions are seen through

- ensuring there are routes in for fieldwork concerns to be heard

- its role being widely understood by staff at all levels

 The OSCB, other than the part-time presence of an Independent Chair, has no existence other than as a collective unit. This means governing bodies must be sure their organisations and leaders actively share in leadership and shaping the Board

 The importance of the District Council community safety role being proactively understood by partners, and appropriate links with County children’s services being strong at operational and more strategic level

 The need to reconsider how Districts are represented on the OSCB

 Governing bodies need to be sure they are clear on what they expect to be reported to them by way of early warning, so they have an opportunity to reflect on an issue as early as is useful

 Governing bodies need to be sure that performance management arrangements identify key measures of child safety, including those around looked after children

 The benefits of relatively junior staff using their initiative to take forward discussions and explorations about concerns on child safety, but…

 …there is also a need for their managers to ensure such important work makes the right links inside and across agencies, and also what the governance framework is for the work

From ‘Knowledge’

 OSCB member agencies also receive such guidance and need to share responsibility for it being considered both internally and collectively by the Board

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 The value of more widely and proactively seeking out learning and good practice, as shown by the City and the Police

 There may be an assumption that the focus on CSE is so high now that the old, less unhelpful attitudes to the victims have gone. This needs ongoing monitoring

From ‘Escalation’

 LSCBs are strategic, but must also be sure that they have processes that allow them to hear of operational concerns at an early stage, so there can be a decision as to whether the Board needs a collective response/action

 Agencies should satisfy themselves that formal escalation processes work in practice, from the perspective of both front line staff and top managers

 Also, that there is a culture which promotes the sharing of concerns and reacts positively rather than negatively to service concerns

 There need to be clear processes that are understood and followed about resolving differences of opinion about cases or groups of cases, both internally and across agencies

From ‘Tolerance’

 Staff at all levels need to be clear about the law of consent (to sex and healthcare)

 Verbal consent does not mean it is free consent, or sensible consent

 Across agencies, supervisors should test out with staff making decisions how they see the threshold for action with sexually active children

 Supervisors (and their managers) need to be aware of the tendency for the impact of an incidence of abuse or risk to lessen when such incidents happen frequently

 In the tension between inaction to be non-judgemental and action to prevent harm because an activity is wrong or inappropriate, the latter should be the overriding principle with children

 Agencies which act as parent or share parental care should, when determining what is appropriate action in the face of risky behaviour, consider what a good parent caring for a child at home would do.

 There needs to be a rethink of the national guidance regarding sexually active children, to ensure that well-intentioned policies to support the vulnerable young do not inadvertently add to a climate that facilitates exploitation

From ‘Staff attitudes and rigour’

 However difficult they may appear, children need to be treated as children

 Ask if they are ok

 Use the basic niceties

 Start with the basic assumption that what the child says is to be believed

 Don’t make snide remarks to possible victims (however they behave) which undermine them more

 It is important that, just as the victims are not blamed for their exploitation, parents are not blamed for their children’s exploitation

 Signs of drug and alcohol use at a very young age are not normal and need real inquiry

 Signs of physical harm must always be investigated

 If you have any suspicions that a child may be being abused, do not be frightened to ask them about it…and keep asking

 Go with your instincts if something seems wrong

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 Children do not go missing on numerous occasions without there being a reason. That reason must be explored rigorously

 Beware in case being more ‘professional’ makes it less likely that the victims will engage

From ‘Investigation’

 How attitudes and understanding of CSE, or indeed ‘difficult’ teenagers and families, can impact on what is recorded as and acted upon as a crime

 How attitudes and understanding of CSE, or indeed ‘difficult’ teenagers and families, can impact on decisions about fulfilling statutory duties in CSC

 Any allegation of abuse must be investigated formally, even if it does seem to be part of teenager/parent disputes

 Strategy meetings must always be used to agree the multi-agency roles on inquiries when the criteria are met.

 The crucial importance of supervisory and review processes to ensure that staff near the front line are making sound and objective decisions

 The need to recognise that evidence around the ‘bad character’ of offenders can back up evidence by victims, and the presence of such evidence can give victims more confidence to give and stick to evidence themselves

 The need to investigate regardless of the cooperation of the child

 The need to ensure that there are robust processes in place to make links between victims and between perpetrators – including the use of covert actions and intelligence gathering

 Disruption of abuser activity is an essential protective process, regardless of whether a criminal case can be brought

From ‘Going missing’

 Going missing does not always but may well indicate the child concerned is being exploited and therefore has eroded consent

 Going missing from residential care is an even bigger indicator as there may well be an inherent vulnerability that can attract perpetrators

 Because of this vulnerability it can be easy to see the children as running from somewhere, so inquiries must be made as to what they are running to

 There is now a statutorily requirement for local authorities to ensure a discussion with the child family or both after two or more episodes, and also a requirement to ensure previous episodes and actions are always taken into account

 The OSCB, relevant Council committees (or equivalent), including the lead member for Children’s Services, and senior police performance management meetings need to not only receive the Missing Persons information regularly, but to actively consider and interrogate it to make sure that high volumes are seen as significant rather than downplayed by their commonality

 Secure accommodation may solve the problem temporarily, but is ineffective beyond the period in secure unless the groomers are disrupted or removed from the scene through conviction

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From the Impact of ethnicity

 The importance of agencies individually and collectively to develop strong links with faith groups, to share understanding about CSE and to assist with each community’s own efforts to protect children and prevent CSE

[Smiffs]

'National Guidelines not understood'

 

Fuck off.

 

If a young lass walked into my office covered in blood and distraught, the last thing I would look for is the fucking policy and procedures manual.

 

Just fuck off.

 

These cunts need jail.

[Youri McAnespie]

I seriously think some jobs just attract the polar fucking opposite of what's needed in the role...

 

Utter bullshit phrases like 'systematic failure' etc. being bandied about - as per, heads should fucking roll, jail sentences would be desirable but will never happen.

 

There needs to be a naming and shaming of those involved in this wholesale neglect of duty, and hopefully, someone would give second thoughts before employing them to clean the bogs at McDonalds.

[kent_white]

I don't get it. It's like this other 'systematic failure' at Morcambe NHS trust that's lead to 12 unnecessary deaths. How the fuck can a team of Doctors and Nurses allow a situation like that to develop without anybody speaking up?

[Smiffs]

If I have a 'systematic failure' at work someone probably dies and I end up in the dock on a corporate manslaughter charge. On a bad day I'll get a few years at Her Majestys Pleasure.

 

When they've finished with me I have to pay a mahoooosive fine.

 

And after that there isn't an insurer in the land will touch us!

 

If you're a civil servant you get retired off!** You couldn't make it up!!

 

**(apart from that poor lass council architect who got hammered when a legionnaires disease killed a few kids and she carried the can for not filling the right form in)

[C86]

And its happening everywhere including our town(s). 

 

Three years ago I went on a training course for some volunteering I do, I know another poster on here does the same volunteering. My group got told about some child abuse cases in Bolton (obliviously without revealing identities), absolutely horrendous and frightening what's going on.

Edited March 3, 2015 by C86

[Smiffs]

Yeah but we've produced Jimmy Saville so that evens everything out.

[MickyD]

Without quoting that very long report, I've skimmed through it and one line that sticks in the throat a bit states,

Be careful of being too professional in your work as this could lead to the victim not engaging.

Oh fuck it, be slack as a yak so kids like you!

 

Then it goes on to talk about the

Impact of ethnicity

 The importance of agencies individually and collectively to develop strong links with faith groups, to share understanding about CSE and to assist with each community’s own efforts to protect children and prevent CSE

Develop strong links and share understanding??? How about telling the "faith groups" to keep their mucky fucking hands of underage girls? Edited March 3, 2015 by MickyD

[Smiffs]

Exactly!

 

Surely there cant be a religion or culture which tolerates child abuse...

[Alf Hartigan]

Without quoting that very long report, I've skimmed through it and one line that sticks in the throat a bit states,

Be careful of being too professional in your work as this could lead to the victim not engaging.

Oh fuck it, be slack as a yak so kids like you!

 

 

 

 

you've only succeeded in misquoting part of it, and then misunderstanding it.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Alf Hartigan

[bolty58]

Watching the Thames Valley Chief Constable squirming at uncomfortable questioning, I was impressed that Ms. Thorne had the balls to actually say what the origins of the grooming gangs actually were.

 

Rare to see such balls and preparedness to ignore the outrage these days.

 

Also enjoyed Boris telling that Cage arsehole where to get off.

[MalcolmW]

I don't get it. It's like this other 'systematic failure' at Morcambe NHS trust that's lead to 12 unnecessary deaths. How the fuck can a team of Doctors and Nurses allow a situation like that to develop without anybody speaking up?

 

 

"Central to this was the conflict of roles of one individual who inappropriately combined the functions of senior midwife, maternity risk manager, supervisor of midwives and staff representative."

 

So the senior midwife assessed which cases required the services of a doctor, when she herself strongly believed that all births should be left to midwives....

[MickyD]

Be careful of being too professional in your work as this could lead to the victim not engaging.

Oh fuck it, be slack as a yak so kids like you!

  

you've only succeeded in misquoting part of it, and then misunderstanding it.

OK, now I'll quote.

Beware in case being more ‘professional’ makes it less likely that the victims will engage

I paraphrased. In what way have I misunderstood?

[Alf Hartigan]

  

OK, now I'll quote.

 

I paraphrased. In what way have I misunderstood?

 

It was dropping the inverted commas from the word professional.

 

The appendix is implying that young people can often find 'professional' people difficult to engage with.

[only1swanny]

if a child comes forward, the last thing you want is for them to be secretive as they find you to distant. For a kid to actually come forward with something is a massive risk for them.

 

Being personable works so much better and when a child has an issue, the professionalism changes. You are still professional but more informal.

[Smiffs]

They can adopt the approach my old PE teacher had when I fucked the town team off a few months before we were due to play at Wembley because a lad who I could put in my pocket every time I played against him but had a dad on the committee, kept getting picked over me.

 

He called me into his classroom and asked me not to give up, trying to be my friend and console me which ended up with him giving me a big hug....With a fucking raging hard on under his joggers!

 

Turned out he was a serial offender with stuff like this but we only found out years later when chatting about the good old days with a few of the lads I played rugby with. ????????

 

Cunts dead now.

Edited March 7, 2015 by Smiffs