Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Corbyn to back a 2nd referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Page 72 of the Tory manifesto. We are clear about what we want from Europe� We say: yes to the Single Market� Yes to turbo- charging free trade� Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone� Yes to a family of nation states, all part of a European Union – but whose interests, crucially, are guaranteed whether inside the Euro or out� No to ‘ever closer union.’ No to a constant flow of power to Brussels� No to unnecessary interference� And no, of course, to the Euro, to participation in Eurozone bail-outs or notions like a European Army� And yet you ignore the following paragraph: Quote It will be a fundamental principle of a future Conservative Government that membership of the European Union depends on the consent of the British people – and in recent years that consent has worn wafer-thin. That’s why, after the election, we will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in Europe, and then ask the British people whether they want to stay in the EU on this reformed basis or leave. David Cameron has committed that he will only lead a government that offers an in-out referendum. We will hold that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect the outcome. So the tory 2015 manefesto actually indicates that they will go with the public vote, and that they would prefer a remain. So not a vote for remain at all then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: And yet you ignore the following paragraph: So the tory 2015 manefesto actually indicates that they will go with the public vote, and that they would prefer a remain. So not a vote for remain at all then. No. The manifesto clearly wanted to remain. You weren’t voting for a referendum from a party who at the time wanted to take us out. They wanted to keep us in. As I’ve clearly demonstrated. Both major parties wanted to stay in in 2015. That is a fact. And now you are trying to use weasel words to pretend that wasn’t the case. I did in fact acknowledge they were offering a referendum. But their base view was remain. As I’ve outlined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said: No. The manifesto clearly wanted to remain. You weren’t voting for a referendum from a party who at the time wanted to take us out. They wanted to keep us in. As I’ve clearly demonstrated. Both major parties wanted to stay in in 2015. That is a fact. And now you are trying to use weasel words to pretend that wasn’t the case. I did in fact acknowledge they were offering a referendum. But their base view was remain. As I’ve outlined. The Labour 2015 manefesto was committed to remain. The 2017 was to commit to uphold the referendum result. In 2015, the Tory view was to remain. In 2015 the tories commitment was to hold a referendum, and respect the result. As a trained negotiator (no, really), I'm amazed you fail to see the difference between committing to something, and desiring something. Oh, Well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: The Labour 2015 manefesto was committed to remain. The 2017 was to commit to uphold the referendum result. In 2015, the Tory view was to remain. In 2015 the tories commitment was to hold a referendum, and respect the result. As a trained negotiator (no, really), I'm amazed you fail to see the difference between committing to something, and desiring something. Oh, Well. Who is a trained negotiator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said: And yet you ignore the following paragraph: So the tory 2015 manefesto actually indicates that they will go with the public vote, and that they would prefer a remain. So not a vote for remain at all then. Disagree. As none of us knew the referendum result in 2015 a vote for all parties in the 2015 GE was for remain and in addition, in the Tories case, a vote for the chance to have the referendum (which was strictly speaking advisory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, boltondiver said: Who is a trained negotiator? Parky's greatest fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Parky's greatest fan. Well, he doesn’t strike me as a trained negotiator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Well, he doesn’t strike me as a trained negotiator Remember the programme Bull's-eye? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, boltondiver said: Well, he doesn’t strike me as a trained negotiator He’s as much a trained negotiator, as Corbyn was in “peace talks” with those IRA scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 This should be fun https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48694223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: This should be fun https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48694223 Indeed, as a look at who was asking questions last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 · 5h In creating the #euro, we turned an improbable aspiration into a daily reality for millions of Europeans. The banknotes in our pockets are worth far more than the numbers written on them. They are the tangible symbol of a united Europe. #ECBForum (link: https://europa.eu/!vy88RW) europa.eu/!vy88RW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Turd flushed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: Turd flushed You mean Stewart? Bit harsh if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 GATT just a read, no doubt someone can vouch it’s veracity https://lawyersforbritain.org/a-simple-explainer-about-article-xxiv-of-the-gatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, miamiwhite said: This should be fun https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48694223 Steven Kinnock supporting, which I found interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, Winchester White said: You mean Stewart? Bit harsh if so. It’s all about opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, boltondiver said: Turd flushed Excellent news. Another one in the face for believers in the 'rise of the centre ground'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, boltondiver said: Indeed, as a look at who was asking questions last night What else did you expect from the BBC...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, boltondiver said: It’s all about opinions Aye, tis that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, darwen_white said: Excellent news. Another one in the face for believers in the 'rise of the centre ground'. Yeh you've got to fear those centre ground fanatics delivering more money in the pocket of low earners. Nasty lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, darwen_white said: Excellent news. Another one in the face for believers in the 'rise of the centre ground'. The 'centre ground' of politics is in the Tory party now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: GATT just a read, no doubt someone can vouch it’s veracity https://lawyersforbritain.org/a-simple-explainer-about-article-xxiv-of-the-gatt Very interesting. Don't understand the full details, but it seems to be exploding more barriers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said: The 'centre ground' of politics is in the Tory party now? Follow the ‘Chukka’ he’s dead centre Edited June 19, 2019 by Moon boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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