birch-chorley Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) Another snippet from BLM U.K. web site https://blacklivesmatter.uk/about-us/ Black people have the fundamental right to live, be educated, have equal opportunity to work, access to health care and services, and to be treated as equals within all societal systems, institutions and social settings. despite over 400 years of black residency in the UK the treatment of black people is not on par with white people, regardless of the laws of the land; race and equal rights acts created to protect from racial discrimination are hardly worth the paper they are written on. Perhaps I’ve read it wrong but are they insinuating that in the U.K. a black person doesn’t have the same right to live, be educated, have equal opportunities to work, access to healthcare and services as a white person? Its just too big a stretch for me to accept that this is the case in the U.K. Perhaps the work one driven by a few rogue individuals as hiring managers but on the whole most organisations don’t give a shut about skin colour (particularly the big firms), it’s hard enough finding the right person as it is Its certainly way beyond a simple ‘anti racism message’ Edited December 9, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: This From the UK BLM web site Protesting is a Human Right Both in common law and the Human Rights Act 1998 Article 11 of the European Convention of Human Rights provides freedom of assembly. This means that every individual, regardless of cause has the right to protest, march or demonstrate in a public space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: The players kneel, the fans boo, crack on The main discussion point on Saturday was, are Millwall right to boo or not, many people indicating that it’s a racist act The players should be able to support whatever they want but the fans should be allowed to object given it’s a highly divisive political subject if you pay you have an opinion no body has any time for racism here its archaic but some people IMO just want to stir stuff (god knows why) but our Saturdays at matches are a form of escapism ,we dont need any kind of politics to take over and destroy our entertainment i havent seen a politician of any party in either house TAKE THE KNEE before the start of proceedings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, crawshawbooth said: but the dont want them to kneel do you spend your whole day shuffling about like Toulouse Lautrec yah fucking idiot I don't give a fuck whether anyone kneels or not. It's up to them. I certainly wouldn't abuse a person for kneeling down., and I'd think anyone who abused that person for kneeling definitely had "issues". Yah thick fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: From the UK BLM web site Protesting is a Human Right Both in common law and the Human Rights Act 1998 Article 11 of the European Convention of Human Rights provides freedom of assembly. This means that every individual, regardless of cause has the right to protest, march or demonstrate in a public space. This is perhaps a separate discussion, but - is a football stadium a public space, legally? I'd argue not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I’ve yet to see one club come out and say “our players are in no way kneeling in support of BLM, it’s not something the club supports” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Cheese said: I don't give a fuck whether anyone kneels or not. It's up to them. I certainly wouldn't abuse a person for kneeling down., and I'd think anyone who abused that person for kneeling definitely had "issues". Yah thick fuck. so what is this all about no politicians kneeling before the start of proceedings but a bunch of footballers and there stupid tribal supporters need to get their acts together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: From the UK BLM web site Protesting is a Human Right Both in common law and the Human Rights Act 1998 Article 11 of the European Convention of Human Rights provides freedom of assembly. This means that every individual, regardless of cause has the right to protest, march or demonstrate in a public space. I think you're deliberatley ignoring the words "public space". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, royal white said: I’ve yet to see one club come out and say “our players are in no way kneeling in support of BLM, it’s not something the club supports” Why should they? Does your boss release statements about your personal beliefs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, crawshawbooth said: so what is this all about no politicians kneeling before the start of proceedings but a bunch of footballers and there stupid tribal supporters need to get their acts together This may come as a surprise to you - Footballers are not Politicians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 40 minutes ago, gonzo said: The whole discussion is predominantly about Millwall fans. Youve been offered reasons as to why they booed, youve been offered the situation that occurred afterwards. You choose to ignore any of this and just say those that booed or anyone else that opposes the taking of the knee is a full blown racist. You been offered valid reason why people think it shouldnt happen. Again not good enough. Regarding the wider issues, again you ignore all valid reasons as to why we probably shouldn't be soley focussing on just this part of racism. Again you ignore this. Time and time again birch provides data and facts to suggest theres more to the debate that just white privilege rules. Your getting offended on somebody elses behalf. Open your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: I think you're deliberatley ignoring the words "public space". seriously worried about you in these times do you have anyone to do your shopping n stuff or are you just fending for yourself and your keyboard give me a shout petal if you need any help☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Why should they? Does your boss release statements about your personal beliefs? Because it’s fairly obvious from this thread and what’s been happening around the country that many people are under the impression that the kneeling is for BLM, if the club came Out and denounced it surely it would then be clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Cheese said: This may come as a surprise to you - Footballers are not Politicians... Absolutely aghast well knock me down with a fucking daffodil as sure as i am stood here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 i was madly kinda of thinking that politicians might have s bit more influence over national behavior than footballers never ever voted for a footballer only politicians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, royal white said: Because it’s fairly obvious from this thread and what’s been happening around the country that many people are under the impression that the kneeling is for BLM, if the club came Out and denounced it surely it would then be clear. I don't think this thread has much impact on the wider world mate. What if clubs came out and said "We and the players do not condone vandalism or graffiti"? Would that be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Cheese said: This may come as a surprise to you - Footballers are not Politicians... honestly mate i am like a rabbit in the headlights world turned upside down who knew ?? for fucks sake if you dont get any kind of award there is no justice in this world god bless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: I don't think this thread has much impact on the wider world mate. What if clubs came out and said "We and the players do not condone vandalism or graffiti"? Would that be enough? You asked why should the club come out say that. It’s quite a simple answer just for you. Some Fans of some clubs think kneeling is supporting BLM, how hard is it for the club to say kneeling is not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 footballers politicians footballers politicians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, royal white said: You asked why should the club come out say that. It’s quite a simple answer just for you. Some Fans of some clubs think kneeling is supporting BLM, how hard is it for the club to say kneeling is not? So every club in the league should release a statement in order to appease lazy/ignorant/racist fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 oi cheesy whats it channel quest have been on about our slo mo film for you tube you , me stardust n unicorns NIC says meet by the Lowry and we are good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: So every club in the league should release a statement in order to appease lazy/ignorant/racist fans? Why are they being lazy/ignorant /racist? Edited December 9, 2020 by royal white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, royal white said: Why are they being lazy ignorant and racist? I'll make it easier for you - Lazy OR ignorant OR racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 are you on the Edam or Gorgonzola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, crawshawbooth said: oi cheesy whats it channel quest have been on about our slo mo film for you tube you , me stardust n unicorns NIC says meet by the Lowry and we are good to go 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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