6 months ago...

[Traf]

9 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

How many of those where token sub appearances and being played out of position?

All of them?

[Casino]

8 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

How many of those where token sub appearances and being played out of position?

Cant answer unless i know his position

Id make 2 points

Nobody kmows the deal we did with Rotherham

2 Perhaps Evatt thought he was capable of better than he has shown in training and on the pitch

I dont think hes going to move up a league if he leaves us, do you?

[DirtySanchez]

Just now, Cheese said:

Some signings work out, some don't. That has always been and forever will be the case.

They do they don't 

Signing a well known player for this level then playing them at wing back or not at all 

Despite they never played that position previously 

[Stevowanderer]

1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

How many of those where token sub appearances and being played out of position?

This season:

Sadlier - 27 games, 4 goals, 2 assists, 907 mins played - averaging a goal contribution every 151.1 mins

Dapo - 29 games, 6 goals, 4 assists, 1699 mins played - averaging a goal contribution every 169.9 mins

Kachunga - 32 games, 2 goals, 5 assists, 1432 mins played - averaging a goal contribution every 204.6 mins

You tell me mate.... Dapo and Kachunga playing further forward as well - Sadlier usually at wing back yet overall goal contribution is better. Now I know Dapo is a better player etc but to say he hasn't contributed/not worth the wage etc is absolute rubbish. Could he have been better? yes. But completely disagree he's been a waste of a wage.

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Cant answer unless i know his position

Id make 2 points

Nobody kmows the deal we did with Rotherham

2 Perhaps Evatt thought he was capable of better than he has shown in training and on the pitch

I dont think hes going to move up a league if he leaves us, do you?

Don't know, not seen enough of him

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, Stevowanderer said:

This season:

Sadlier - 27 games, 4 goals, 2 assists, 907 mins played - averaging a goal contribution every 151.1 mins

Dapo - 29 games, 6 goals, 4 assists, 1699 mins played - averaging a goal contribution every 169.9 mins

Kachunga - 32 games, 2 goals, 5 assists, 1432 mins played - averaging a goal contribution every 204.6 mins

You tell me mate.... Dapo and Kachunga playing further forward as well - Sadlier usually at wing back yet overall goal contribution is better. Now I know Dapo is a better player etc but to say he hasn't contributed/not worth the wage etc is absolute rubbish. Could he have been better? yes. But completely disagree he's been a waste of a wage.

So why isn't he playing?

[Casino]

Cos evatt doesnt think he should be

Id say thats pretty obvious

 

And ill go out on a limb here

Hes not joining a team in the top 6 of our league

[DirtySanchez]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Cos evatt doesnt think he should be

Id say thats pretty obvious

 

And ill go out on a limb here

Hes not joining a team in the top 6 of our league

So it's a waste of a squad place and a signing?

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

So why isn't he playing?

We have better players in every position Sadlier has played, it’s quite simple. 

[Stevowanderer]

56 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

So why isn't he playing?

I have no idea. I assume its related to the pressing because he doesn't run as intensely as some of the others. But I'd like to have a look at him for a few games in rotation with Kieran Lee in that number 10 role (or number 8 depending on the shape he sets up with). He's fine at wing back when we are chasing a goal and has no defensive responsibility or against a lower end team at home where we have 65% of the ball and are camped in their half but I'd rather start Beck over him at left wing back and rather start Isgrove and Gethin over him at right wing back. Now we definitely aren't playing wingers it makes more sense to move him and Dapo on and sign someone that fits this system more naturally. At the time of signing we were playing both systems.

[DirtySanchez]

Isn't he pissed off with playing wing back?

[Stevowanderer]

59 minutes ago, Casino said:

Cos evatt doesnt think he should be

Id say thats pretty obvious

 

And ill go out on a limb here

Hes not joining a team in the top 6 of our league

I agree but most of the top 6 in our league play back 3/5's. Very few top teams in this league play with a 4 anymore. He's definitely not capable of being a wing back at this level, week in week out. He needs to go and play left wing or maybe as a 10 if he wants regular football. 

[Casino]

12 minutes ago, Stevowanderer said:

I agree but most of the top 6 in our league play back 3/5's. Very few top teams in this league play with a 4 anymore. He's definitely not capable of being a wing back at this level, week in week out. He needs to go and play left wing or maybe as a 10 if he wants regular football. 

Ok fair point on formations

Div 4 or forest green then

[Jayjay23]

I wouldn't even say Sadlier is a, signing that didn't work out. 

You need players who aren't as good as your best eleven in a way. Otherwise nobody would be happy to be a squad player. 

The Sadlier signing could have worked out more if we played 442 but it turned out he was used best as an impact sub when we are on the charge. That suited his game, and that suited our gane in those moments. 

There are other times he started or came in as a sub where he was less effective but I think it was a case of giving him rotation and chances to push his way into the team. It turns out that he is best as an impact sub and that's not always a bad thing. 

If we had converted at a better rate Sadlier's assist record would be through the roof. I can think of one game where he put 3 or 4 chances on a plate but strikers failed to convert them. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

28 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

So why isn't he playing?

Same reason as Dapo and latterly Kachunga haven't been?

Evatt doesn't feel their presence in the starting 11 is yielding the best results.

Whether it's by design or accident, the current set up is working both defensively and offensively. 

Given the loss of Dapo, then he's a perfectly reasonable back up attacking player to have on the bench.

[Mantra]

22 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

So it's a waste of a squad place and a signing?

Waste is a bit of an extreme way of putting it.

Not sure if Evatt signed him with the intention of him being a squad player/impact sub, or wanted him as a starter. If it's the latter then it's more of a case for being a 'waste', but as agree with Stevo that he's contributed enough in terms of G/A to justify us signing him and also been versatile in that he's covered LWB and RWB, but he'd definitely be of more use if we played a back 4. Same with Dapo.

Shame because they're too attacking to be starting wing backs but not well-rounded enough to be strikers. And neither is as good in the 10 role as Kieran Lee.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Jayjay23 said:

I wouldn't even say Sadlier is a, signing that didn't work out. 

You need players who aren't as good as your best eleven in a way. Otherwise nobody would be happy to be a squad player. 

The Sadlier signing could have worked out more if we played 442 but it turned out he was used best as an impact sub when we are on the charge. That suited his game, and that suited our gane in those moments. 

There are other times he started or came in as a sub where he was less effective but I think it was a case of giving him rotation and chances to push his way into the team. It turns out that he is best as an impact sub and that's not always a bad thing. 

If we had converted at a better rate Sadlier's assist record would be through the roof. I can think of one game where he put 3 or 4 chances on a plate but strikers failed to convert them. 

In one.

Look at Aimson- squad player that often received criticism that was unfair. Now he's got a place and is keeping it on merit.

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, Mantra said:

Evatts kind of stumbled across his most balance starting XI now.

Love Santos and Jones. But think Toal and Aimson are having superior seasons since coming in, for whatever reason. Santos is such a great player physically and technically but he does ponder on the ball too much at times and has made a couple of costly mistakes this season. That back pass vs sheff, getting sent off at Vale, even his defending for the first goal away at Plymouth.  

Aimson is a great defender and keeps it very simple and as a result our build up play is quicker with him in the centre of a back 3.

Jones is always consistent to be fair but Toals performances make him undroppable at the moment. 

Sadlier is this seasons Riga. Looks lively coming off the bench but whenever he’s started I’ve not seen him perform to a better standard than the starters before him.

Dno what’s gone on with John but he was always defensively suspect even if he was a good attacker.

Randell Williams seems to have a good blend of the qualities that both John and Iredale bring. 

I know Sadlier's race is run and he's not going to make an impact, but not sure how you can judge the games he's started, when were they?  I wouldn't count the pizza cup games personally, but if we are he's done well generally, and if we aren't I think he's started one game, totally out of position.  He's got loads of faults, but so have others that have had countless chances.

I'd like to see more of Randell Williams before judging him, I quite rate Iredale both defensively and offensively, Williams needs to show a bit more yet for me but its early days.  Beck looks a decent alternative too.

[barrycowdrill]

No complaints over Williams yet. Very cautious and kept it simple v Plymouth which is understandable as he’d been here about 18hrs. Looked more confident v Pompey and I think he looks more offensive minded than Iredale. 
 

like for like replacement for John. Iredale will play when we need to stand up more defensively, Williams when there’ll be less pressure and greater onus on being on the front foot 

[DazBob]

Given Sadlier has chipped in with a few goals and assists I'd say he's not been a waste of a wage. 

A waste of a wage is someone who contributes nothing.

Edited January 17, 2023 by DazBob

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, DazBob said:

Given he has chipped in with a few goals and assists I'd say he's not been a waste of a wage. 

A waste of a wage is someone who contributes nothing.

This.

The waste of a wage comment is perverse.

[barrycowdrill]

Think Sadlier is just one of those arm round the shoulder and needs a run of games type players. Unfortunately Just not had the opportunity to do so. Especially in a position he would prefer. 
 

There’s only been one or 2 times where you feel he’s deserved to keep his spot but been taken out. Every other time he’s been replaced with someone who has more of an impact 

he’ll probably feel he hasn’t hard a fair crack of the whip which is probably fair but sometimes as much as everyone wants it to a move just doesn’t work out 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Seems fair that.

Strangely, now Dapo has gone, he may get more opportunities. 

A lot of games still to come, especially late in the season. We will need the squad and fresh legs to help out.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Cos evatt doesnt think he should be

Id say thats pretty obvious

 

And ill go out on a limb here

Hes not joining a team in the top 6 of our league

To be honest - and this is not me sticking up for Sadlier as I don't disagree with your point - I'd like to see a list of our permanent players that could be put on the transfer list tomorrow and end up at Ipswich, Plymouth, Sheff Wed, Derby or Barnsley.  I think Toal's good enough but too unknown.  Santos possibly?  No others spring to mind however much we might rate them.  And a good few might not get another L1 team, that doesn't mean they aren't good enough for L1, but getting someone to give you a contract is another matter.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

32 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

To be honest - and this is not me sticking up for Sadlier as I don't disagree with your point - I'd like to see a list of our permanent players that could be put on the transfer list tomorrow and end up at Ipswich, Plymouth, Sheff Wed, Derby or Barnsley.  I think Toal's good enough but too unknown.  Santos possibly?  No others spring to mind however much we might rate them.  And a good few might not get another L1 team, that doesn't mean they aren't good enough for L1, but getting someone to give you a contract is another matter.

Thing is, do fans of these clubs, and ours, know enough about each other's players to make such a judgement?

At the moment our form is very good and we're playing well. I couldn't specifically name a player from those clubs who is so standout that he would be guaranteed to improve our team.