England Women’s Football

[Casino]

53 minutes ago, Underpants said:

It looked odd but not inappropriate. The player involved only changed her story when other folk expressed outrage. It was hardly a Harvey Weinstein moment.

Not really

When asked post match she wasnt happy about it

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

Which your reply has pretty much summed up why I put that on the bottom. 

Not allowed an opinion, simply as I've looked at it from a different perspective. The guy was wrong to do it, he's apologies, thats that,

How has it done that, of course you are allowed an opinion, but I've just suggested you didn't really listen to the issues.

He didn't apologise, he double down on it, then put words into the players mouth which she then had to say actually it wasn't comfortable, not least forgetting thisnis the head of the FA - someone in an incredibly powerful position.

I'd suggest it's a very simplistic take, and once again underlines why there are issues with structural inequality in workplaces.

But hey, let's move on and boo hoo I'm a white male and suddenly no one is just taking my opinion has the only one to be listened to.

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And this isnt a peck

 

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What i would say, is i believe there is some opportunism at play

The recent history between thr spanish federation and the players isnt good and they will be happy to clear out el pres and the coach

[Not in Crawley]

"At no time did I consent to the kiss,” Hermoso said in a statement. “I won’t tolerate having my word doubted, much less have people inventing things that I didn’t say.”

Just the facts ma'am...

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Casino said:

What i would say, is i believe there is some opportunism at play

The recent history between thr spanish federation and the players isnt good and they will be happy to clear out el pres and the coach

It's certainly not a great situation with the FA over in Spain, don't know all the background but looks like the players are very unhappy with a lot more than just this.

[kent_white]

In other news, the genocidal war in Ukraine shows no signs of abating. 

I get why people might think this behaviour is a little odd/unpalatable.

But the main news item on every news outlet? 

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In other news, the genocidal war in Ukraine shows no signs of abating. 

I get why people might think this behaviour is a little odd/unpalatable.

But the main news item on every news outlet? 

It's a fast moving story that will be out of the News cycle shortly that touches upon a lot of hot topic issues, of course its front page news.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

In other news, the genocidal war in Ukraine shows no signs of abating. 

I get why people might think this behaviour is a little odd/unpalatable.

But the main news item on every news outlet? 

Fair point.

I'll just chuck in this point that was put to me by someone: there are photos of troops returning from ww2, with one showing a chap bending a woman over and planting a kiss on her. Apparently they're strangers.

Was it inappropriate?

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Fair point.

I'll just chuck in this point that was put to me by someone: there are photos of troops returning from ww2, with one showing a chap bending a woman over and planting a kiss on her. Apparently they're strangers.

Was it inappropriate?

You've outdone yourself there in the whataboutry stakes. 🤣

Also, news isn't a game of equivalency 

[only1swanny]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Fair point.

I'll just chuck in this point that was put to me by someone: there are photos of troops returning from ww2, with one showing a chap bending a woman over and planting a kiss on her. Apparently they're strangers.

Was it inappropriate?

Some media types interviewed both a few years ago sailor and a nurse.. The lady said she didn't know him, but understood that he was just caught in the moment, or words to that effect. On the image, his future wife (They were on a date) is in the background. 

 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's a fast moving story that will be out of the News cycle shortly that touches upon a lot of hot topic issues, of course its front page news.

Says a great deal about what news outlets decide are the 'hot topics'. I just find the coverage completely over the top.

[paulhanley]

54 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

His views aren't inappropriate. And people should have opinions, but at times folk should listen more before they speak, and that's a case in point.

And I can't be arsed being dragged into a further dicussion about structural and behavioural barriers to gender inequality because of got a shite load of washing to do, and the weekend big shop.

 

And of course you in your infinite and unimpeachable wisdom are the person to adjudicate on whether his views are appropriate or not. Self-appointed of course but that's not for us mere mortals to question.

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Says a great deal about what news outlets decide are the 'hot topics'. I just find the coverage completely over the top.

 

If you find them over the top that's fine, but it is an important story, it's not just bloke kisses woman which some folk think it is - Mr swanny and TM for example.

As I say, would they cover the rape of a local.woman here that happened two nights ago? No. Is it 'worse' on a sexual abuse level yes, but that's not the story here.

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, paulhanley said:

And of course you in your infinite and unimpeachable wisdom are the person to adjudicate on whether his views are appropriate or not. Self-appointed of course but that's not for us mere mortals to question.

In no way have I said that his opinion is wrong, I've simply offered another one. That's how it works, he's free to make his own mind up on anything.

Honestly some of the 'free thinking voice of reason' folk on here really can be soft as shite if someone says, erm...Well there is another view as well.

And then of course you get the self appointed nonsense because they don't like it. As I say, sensitive souls.

[kent_white]

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

If you find them over the top that's fine, but it is an important story, it's not just bloke kisses woman which some folk think it is - Mr swanny and TM for example.

As I say, would they cover the rape of a local.woman here that happened two nights ago? No. Is it 'worse' on a sexual abuse level yes, but that's not the story here.

You think it's an important story.

I don't think it's an important story.

It's entirely subjective - just a strange (or easy/trite/clickbaity) subject to throw your energies around if you're a news editor to me.

 

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

You think it's an important story.

I don't think it's an important story.

It's entirely subjective - just a strange (or easy/trite/clickbaity) subject to throw your energies around if you're a news editor to me.

 

For me it's a story about structural issues of power in the most important sport in the world and throws light on real issues that still exist to get equality.

For others it's about a bloke trying to give a woman an unwanted kiss.

I think the later ignores the bigger issues, others don't.

Fair enough, I can't be arsed having a another culture war debate about it, although personally I do find it a bit sad some people find it easy to dismiss.

But, that's a personal.opinion. another personal opinion is that I'm glad it's one of the top stories of this current news cycle.

[royal white]

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Just seen the video on the bbc, kisses every player and its clearly excitement. Kisses her cheek, says something to her, peck on the lips and she walks off with a smile on her face, next player, same but exact same type of kiss on their cheek. None of them seemed remotely bothered by it. Absolutely nothing sexual about it whatsoever. 

Unsure what all this lifting is about that the Spanish FA are bringing up. 

But of course I'm a straight white male so have no place to discuss these things.

Yep pretty much my view. The bloke was just caught in the moment and a bit excited. Not sure how’s it’s created such a big deal 

[only1swanny]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep pretty much my view. The bloke was just caught in the moment and a bit excited. Not sure how’s it’s created such a big deal 

can see how it has, but he's apologised for offending anyone, so move on. 

 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

For me it's a story about structural issues of power in the most important sport in the world and throws light on real issues that still exist to get equality.

For others it's about a bloke trying to give a woman an unwanted kiss.

I think the later ignores the bigger issues, others don't.

Fair enough, I can't be arsed having a another culture war debate about it, although personally I do find it a bit sad some people find it easy to dismiss.

But, that's a personal.opinion. another personal opinion is that I'm glad it's one of the top stories of this current news cycle.

My Grandma would have said 

"She's just won the world cup, give her a bloody big kiss on the lips" and she'd most certainly have given Harry Kane one of we'd won the World Cup. Whether he wanted one or not.

I suppose we just live in different times now when innocent gestures have been redefined as sexual micro-aggressions. 

She'd also be moaning that she had to watch this on the news all day. I suppose we're all products of our upbringings?

[little whitt]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep pretty much my view. The bloke was just caught in the moment and a bit excited. Not sure how’s it’s created such a big deal 

THIS 

Looks like the Spanish FA have stuck by him 

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep pretty much my view. The bloke was just caught in the moment and a bit excited. Not sure how’s it’s created such a big deal 

Yep! Me too.......

I don't think I'd have even batter an eyelid if I'd watched it live either. 

We've got news channels literally showing the 'controversy' from different angles and in slow motion. For Christ's sake like.

Anyway - thankfully his career is ruined and his name has been tarnished around the world. So I think we can all sleep soundly tonight.

[Not in Crawley]

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

My Grandma would have said 

"She's just won the world cup, give her a bloody big kiss on the lips" and she'd most certainly have given Harry Kane one of we'd won the World Cup. Whether he wanted one or not.

I suppose we just live in different times now when innocent gestures have been redefined as sexual micro-aggressions. 

She'd also be moaning that she had to watch this on the news all day. I suppose we're all products of our upbringings?

Well, it's not an innocent gesture if it makes the other person feel uncomfortable, and yes times thankfully seem to be changing.

[Not in Crawley]

The fact that some many on here are saying its just a kiss shows why it needs to be high in the news cycle.

Thankfully it is and hopefully despite the Spanish FA he will lose his job over it to show that this behaviour is, and always has bee, unacceptable.

[Not in Crawley]

Good post from Henry Winter