Must win.

A nervy 1-0.

20 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

A lot of Evatt's signings are getting a right slagging off on here today, so who would you have signed instead who was available at the time for the same transfer fee and wages?

We already had John and Iredale as back up..Williams ain’t an improvement on John. 

45 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Was just checking.

Let me know when you miss one so I can act all sanctimonious and discount your opinions because you werent there.

I thought today was the day

Was in your area in the morning - Pressall moving stuff from Mums house.

My opinions always right as you know?

28 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

A lot of Evatt's signings are getting a right slagging off on here today, so who would you have signed instead who was available at the time for the same transfer fee and wages?

Impossible to answer nobody knows who’s available etc & what our budget is 

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We already had John and Iredale as back up..Williams ain’t an improvement on John. 

Without signing someone we'd have an even smaller squad to choose from though.

17 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Impossible to answer nobody knows who’s available etc & what our budget is 

So there's no basis to slag anyone off then?

Just now, Wanderlust said:

So there's no basis to slag anyone off then?

My personal opinion that some of his signings have been poor and made no difference so far, expectations are of automatic promotion I can’t see any improvement as yet

17 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

So there's no basis to slag anyone off then?

I can understand the consensus to defend the team and manager but are you suggesting players and manager should be bullet proof as we don’t know the budget? 

11 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

My personal opinion that some of his signings have been poor and made no difference so far, expectations are of automatic promotion I can’t see any improvement as yet

Totally fine with that Radcliffe - although I think that the chat about automatic promotion is just hype, unnecessary and premature. If anything it's a burden.

I think some bookies and media idiots were touting that idea about before the window was closed and before a ball was kicked.

It was always going to be difficult to improve the team when we're replacing Premiership loanees, two of whom were central to the team last season TBH. I guess the "improvement" - if it can be called that - is that we now have a squad of our own players.

I think it's clear now that Vic and Dion shouldn't be playing together and made more apparent by JDB's impact yesterday. As others have said they are too similar, both can't hold the ball up and bring others into play meaning we generally lose possession. The times they do get in front of their man when its played up to them they generally either turn into trouble, do too much and rarely play it simple.

If I remember rightly yesterday Vic had a chance to get a shot off nearing half time on the edge of their box, chose not to (something you could level at many of our players) and lost possession. Seconds later the ball is down our right and Jones made that 'tackle'  and gets sent off. The worst that could have happened taking the shot on was a goal kick running the clock down.

Think it's got to be Dion with another preferably JDB from now on.

BTW Dempsey doesn't look fit enough to play at the moment clearly carrying that back injury.

2 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Totally fine with that Radcliffe - although I think that the chat about automatic promotion is just hype, unnecessary and premature. If anything it's a burden.

I think some bookies and media idiots were touting that idea about before the window was closed and before a ball was kicked.

It was always going to be difficult to improve the team when we're replacing Premiership loanees, two of whom were central to the team last season TBH. I guess the "improvement" - if it can be called that - is that we now have a squad of our own players.

Promotion was mentioned by the owners they obviously have a clear target possibly unneeded pressure yes

filling the gaps of traf & Bradley was always going to be hard though I must say I’m impressed with cogley

 

20 minutes ago, tomski said:

I can understand the consensus to defend the team and manager but are you suggesting players and manager should be bullet proof as we don’t know the budget? 

Not exactly  - but without knowing the budget and without knowing what players were realistically available to us we can't know whether the signings we ended up with are the best we could possibly have got i.e. we don't know if Markham/Evatt did well or badly in the circumstances they were faced with.

PS: I have no problem criticising the players for a bad performance or indiscipline or criticising the manager for tactical ineptitude - but there are too many variables in the transfer market to comment.

Edited September 24, 20232 yr by Wanderlust

5 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Not exactly  - but without knowing the budget and without knowing what players were realistically available to us we can't know whether the signings we ended up with are the best we could possibly have got i.e. we don't know if Markham/Evatt did well or badly in the circumstances they were faced with.

 

That’s fair enough and applicable to all clubs I suppose.

my concern is/was 18 months ago it was Evatts biggest strong point (keeper aside) all signings seemed astute. Since then I think it’s fair to question most of them to be honest. Really rate Cogley. Others I think time will tell. 

4 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Not exactly  - but without knowing the budget and without knowing what players were realistically available to us we can't know whether the signings we ended up with are the best we could possibly have got i.e. we don't know if Markham/Evatt did well or badly in the circumstances they were faced with.

 

Very true, though they ought to be able to assess whether those players are actually going to improve us.

I don't mind Vic, although he is a bit hit and miss.

Other strikers meh.

Wouldn't mind seeing one or two of the youngsters at least making the bench- this is an area that as yet the coaching team haven't had any success with, and with so many injuries and "off form" players then it may buck a few up.

1 minute ago, tomski said:

That’s fair enough and applicable to all clubs I suppose.

my concern is/was 18 months ago it was Evatts biggest strong point (keeper aside) all signings seemed astute. Since then I think it’s fair to question most of them to be honest. Really rate Cogley. Others I think time will tell. 

Agreed. That said, in backfilling the squad to get the numbers up instead of using loanees is likely to bring in players of a similar standard - whereas upgrade in quality = upgrade in price so there's little choice but to gamble - and Cogley seems to be a gamble that's paying off so far.

 

 

7 hours ago, radcliffe white said:

Thought that myself go out in style if you’re doing that 

He did score a header and celebrated in front of the fans though 😂

1 hour ago, Walkden White said:

I think it's clear now that Vic and Dion shouldn't be playing together and made more apparent by JDB's impact yesterday. As others have said they are too similar, both can't hold the ball up and bring others into play meaning we generally lose possession. The times they do get in front of their man when its played up to them they generally either turn into trouble, do too much and rarely play it simple.

If I remember rightly yesterday Vic had a chance to get a shot off nearing half time on the edge of their box, chose not to (something you could level at many of our players) and lost possession. Seconds later the ball is down our right and Jones made that 'tackle'  and gets sent off. The worst that could have happened taking the shot on was a goal kick running the clock down.

Think it's got to be Dion with another preferably JDB from now on.

BTW Dempsey doesn't look fit enough to play at the moment clearly carrying that back injury.

I’d like to see 4-3-3 with bod, Dion and Victor front 3… i know Evatt prefers 3-5-2 but id like to see us at times switch formations. 

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sometimes wonder if he would be better wide in an attacking role.

Ie in a 442 in front of a left back, or in a 4-5-1

It can be disguised in formations, tactics but it boils down to having players of the right quality, and he's lacking in so many aspects we simply need better if we're looking at top 6.  It was clear he was limited after about 10 minutes of his debut,  not that I'd make a snap judgement 😀 

Our midfield is fooking shit and for some reason has been weakened from last season.

Defensively we are poor in midfield. We haven't replaced Williams with anyone with bite. Like at Reading playing the game out and holding on to a lead is all about a strong defensive midfield which we haven't got.

Williams wasn't playing towards the end of last season. 

Only when he became a makeshift centre half dud he get back in.

Midfield is essentially the same as last season. 

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Williams wasn't playing towards the end of last season. 

Only when he became a makeshift centre half dud he get back in.

Midfield is essentially the same as last season. 

Less Lee of course.

Which is a big miss.

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Williams wasn't playing towards the end of last season. 

Only when he became a makeshift centre half dud he get back in.

Midfield is essentially the same as last season. 

We haven't seen much of Maghoma and CMG yet TBF

Our midfield is weak and short on players Dempsey is playing with an injury says it all , IE as messed up by not recruiting an experienced midfielder. 

16 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Less Lee of course.

Which is a big miss.

He is, but at the end he barely got on the pitch neither. Don't think Evatt trusted his body.

As above, new lads will hopefully sort that when fit again.

57 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Less Lee of course.

Which is a big miss.

Get him back on a short term contract… that’s if he’s kept in training. 

Edited September 24, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper