Measles

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So it's not the Doctors, it's NHS policy as overseen by the Health Secretary. I'm sure there is a well-thought out reason why they won't vaccinate under-1's though.

Aye, by doctors I just mean she can't get it for free at the standard NHS surgery yet 

New borns get antibodies from their mum so a vaccine for a new born is not as effective 

Apparently those anti bodies are pretty much gone by 12 months so that's when they normally get it 

We're just topping her up a month and half early because there's an outbreak and it's a cunt for kids who catch it

[mickbrown]

26 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In fairness to him, he was just miffed that the vaccine had harmed him and the compensation wasn't particularly big.

Dunno what the settlement is, but if you're being asked to take a medicine by the authorities, I reckon it's perfectly right that you should be compensated if it buggers you up.

Think it was the  heart attack that buggered him up. 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Id be wary

Almost certain therell be good reason for delaying

@kent_white?

Im fully behind vaccines btw, winds me up if i hear

Im not bothering cos theres a risk and everybody else has had it anyway

Selfish twats

I'm not sure. I've had a quick look but I can't find anything about it being contra indicated in under 12 months. 

I wonder if it's because it's the 3 in 1 MMR and there are other vaccines relatively close by to it in the schedule. 

Zico - if you're worried and want to hang on for a week I can find out when I'm back in work. But the private surgery should be able to advise you.....

Just pleased to hear that you're taking your child's health seriously. Sadly I speak to lots of parents who think I'm an evil Illuminati shill 😂

[Zico]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

 

Zico - if you're worried and want to hang on for a week I can find out when I'm back in work. But the private surgery should be able to advise you.....

😂

Cheers though we've asked around, know a GP doctor, NHS nurse and know the private one who will actually give it to her 

None of them have advised us against it or give us any reason not to 

But yeah another opinion wouldn't go amiss 

Can you not just go back to work tomorrow and ask as you said yourself you're feeling better

[kent_white]

Just now, Zico said:

Cheers though we've asked around, know a GP doctor, NHS nurse and know the private one who will actually give it to her 

None of them have advised us against it or give us any reason not to 

But yeah another opinion wouldn't go amiss 

Can you not just go back to work tomorrow and ask as you said yourself you're feeling better

😂 - yeah no worries. I'll get logged on! 

In fact leave it with me. I'll email one of the vaccine specialists and get back to you! 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

😂 - yeah no worries. I'll get logged on! 

In fact leave it with me. I'll email one of the vaccine specialists and get back to you! 

PFIZER BOOT BOYS MORE LIKE!!!

[kent_white]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

PFIZER BOOT BOYS MORE LIKE!!!

Direct line to Bill Gates

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

😂 - yeah no worries. I'll get logged on! 

In fact leave it with me. I'll email one of the vaccine specialists and get back to you! 

Done - I'll keep an eye on my inbox and let you know when they get back in touch! 👍

[MancWanderer]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

So it's not the Doctors, it's NHS policy as overseen by the Health Secretary. I'm sure there is a well-thought out reason why they won't vaccinate under-1's though.

It’s the NICE Guidelines and I suspect JCVI recommendations so yes it’s NHS policy. I’d have to disappear down a massive rabbit hole to try to find out exactly why they decided on 1 year of age and can’t be arsed. NICE decision making is unbelievably complicated 

I think that if a child is vaccinated under 1 year of age, whoever the provider is won’t get reimbursement so that’s why only private providers would be willing. I think!!

[Cheese]

28 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

It’s the NICE Guidelines and I suspect JCVI recommendations so yes it’s NHS policy. I’d have to disappear down a massive rabbit hole to try to find out exactly why they decided on 1 year of age and can’t be arsed. NICE decision making is unbelievably complicated 

I think that if a child is vaccinated under 1 year of age, whoever the provider is won’t get reimbursement so that’s why only private providers would be willing. I think!!

Basically financial incentives are more important than OUR kids health. We're supposed to be the best in the world at this shit - and we were a couple of decades ago. It's an absolute fucking disgrace what has happened to the NHS. Probably beyond repair now.

Edited February 18 by Cheese

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Basically financial insentives are more important than OUR kids health. 

Bullshit

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Casino said:

Bullshit

Depends how you look at it. These decisions aren't made by Doctors and Nurses. Remember, we're talking about vaccines, not life-saving treatment. Long-term planning, which just doesn't seem to be a thing any more.

Edited February 18 by Cheese

[MancWanderer]

NICE get a lot of criticism for decisions supposedly based on finance. Obviously they take cost effectiveness models into consideration but when you delve deep into their reports they do proper clinical due diligence. Unfortunately whilst some “treatments” may be nice given earlier/to a wider group of patients it doesn’t always make clinical or financial sense. They will put reimbursement in there as a way of ensuring that their guidelines are followed - with the caveat that I think that this is the case as I said above 

I will agree, however, that long-term planning is poor. There are many bodies that talk about it, many folk who want to do it, and folk who actually try to practice it. The NHS is a massive, unwieldy beast though and it’s not easy

[Casino]

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Depends how you look at it. These decisions aren't made by Doctors and Nurses. Remember, we're talking about vaccines, not life-saving treatment. Long-term planning, which just doesn't seem to be a thing any more.

Sorry but you quite clearly said GPs werent vaccinating because they wouldnt get paid

[Cheese]

Just now, Casino said:

Sorry but you quite clearly said GPs werent vaccinating because they wouldnt get paid

No I didn't. Unless you think GP's should fund vaccinations out of their own pocket?

[kent_white]

On 18/02/2024 at 17:28, Zico said:

Cheers though we've asked around, know a GP doctor, NHS nurse and know the private one who will actually give it to her 

None of them have advised us against it or give us any reason not to 

But yeah another opinion wouldn't go amiss 

Can you not just go back to work tomorrow and ask as you said yourself you're feeling better

Here you go mate. 

Direct from the experts! 

"Thank you for your email and apologies for only getting back to you today. I have Monday as a non-working day. You may want to copy in our clinical enquiry line england.gmsit@nhs.net just in case I am on leave etc.

With regards to private vaccines, outside of the national schedule there are a couple of points you may want to raise/consider;

Some private clinics in the UK offer single vaccines against measles, mumps and rubella, but these vaccines are unlicensed and are not recommended. You can find information for patients here MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

‘The first dose of MMR should be given between 12 and 13 months of age (i.e. within a month of the first birthday). Immunisation before one year of age provides earlier protection in localities where the risk of measles is higher, but residual maternal antibodies may reduce the response rate to the vaccine. The optimal age chosen for scheduling children is therefore a compromise between risk of disease and level of protection. If a dose of MMR is given before the first birthday, either because of travel to an endemic country, or because of a local outbreak, then this dose should be ignored, and two further doses given at the recommended times between 12 and 13 months of age (i.e. within a month of the first birthday) and at three years, four months to five years of age’ The Green Book, Chapter 21, page 9 Green Book of Immunisation - Chapter 21 Measles (publishing.service.gov.uk)

Any MMR vaccine given to an infant under 12 months would need to be disregarded and a repeat vaccine would be required to ensure they were protected for their age. Similarly, any single dose vaccines cannot be counted as valid doses. Avoiding having to repeat vaccination supports the following benefits;

avoiding any delay between injections that could risk illness reducing discomfort for the child reducing the number of appointments needed

The UK schedule should be followed unless exposure to measles has occurred or there is a declared local outbreak. Administering the MMR vaccine outside of these parameters would fall outside of the PGD and clinical practice."

 

[Zico]

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Here you go mate. 

Direct from the experts! 

"Thank you for your email and apologies for only getting back to you today. I have Monday as a non-working day. You may want to copy in our clinical enquiry line england.gmsit@nhs.net just in case I am on leave etc.

With regards to private vaccines, outside of the national schedule there are a couple of points you may want to raise/consider;

Some private clinics in the UK offer single vaccines against measles, mumps and rubella, but these vaccines are unlicensed and are not recommended. You can find information for patients here MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

‘The first dose of MMR should be given between 12 and 13 months of age (i.e. within a month of the first birthday). Immunisation before one year of age provides earlier protection in localities where the risk of measles is higher, but residual maternal antibodies may reduce the response rate to the vaccine. The optimal age chosen for scheduling children is therefore a compromise between risk of disease and level of protection. If a dose of MMR is given before the first birthday, either because of travel to an endemic country, or because of a local outbreak, then this dose should be ignored, and two further doses given at the recommended times between 12 and 13 months of age (i.e. within a month of the first birthday) and at three years, four months to five years of age’ The Green Book, Chapter 21, page 9 Green Book of Immunisation - Chapter 21 Measles (publishing.service.gov.uk)

Any MMR vaccine given to an infant under 12 months would need to be disregarded and a repeat vaccine would be required to ensure they were protected for their age. Similarly, any single dose vaccines cannot be counted as valid doses. Avoiding having to repeat vaccination supports the following benefits;

avoiding any delay between injections that could risk illness reducing discomfort for the child reducing the number of appointments needed

The UK schedule should be followed unless exposure to measles has occurred or there is a declared local outbreak. Administering the MMR vaccine outside of these parameters would fall outside of the PGD and clinical practice."

 

great, thank you

so basically

"we wouldn't recommend a private vaccine because they aren't official, unless you really have to, and if you do, still get the one at 12-13 months anyway"

[kent_white]

29 minutes ago, Zico said:

great, thank you

so basically

"we wouldn't recommend a private vaccine because they aren't official, unless you really have to, and if you do, still get the one at 12-13 months anyway"

Yeah and it sounds like they'll be called back in if you get the single dose too as it's not considered a controlled dose on the vaccine schedule. 

So even if you get it - they will still be offered the full MMR at 13 months.....

That's from the NHS GM screening and immunisation team. So the industry standards! 👍

You're in control though - so go with whatever you feel is right for you and your child......

[stevieb]

Zico... Tinfoil alert.... 

We give our daughter her 12 month mmr jab and she got severe eczema within 2 weeks 

I'm not saying don't do the jab but you're considering taking a dose now outside of NHS protocol and then you'll probably take the same again when they are 12 months because that's the protocol. 

Double dose? 

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Zico... Tinfoil alert.... 

We give our daughter her 12 month mmr jab and she got severe eczema within 2 weeks 

I'm not saying don't do the jab but you're considering taking a dose now outside of NHS protocol and then you'll probably take the same again when they are 12 months because that's the protocol. 

Double dose? 

Do you remember the other day when I was talking about people who piece together unrelated events and then assume that correlation implies causation? 

There's no evidence to support the MMR jab causing eczema. 

Sorry to hear about your daughter though Stevie and hope she's on the mend. And also really heartened to hear that you had her vaccinated against some awful illnesses 👍 That must have been an awkward decision for you, if you're vaccine hesitant, but the evidence would say that you've absolutely done the right thing 👍👍👍

 

[Spider]

23 hours ago, kent_white said:

Do you remember the other day when I was talking about people who piece together unrelated events and then assume that correlation implies causation? 

There's no evidence to support the MMR jab causing eczema. 

Sorry to hear about your daughter though Stevie and hope she's on the mend. And also really heartened to hear that you had her vaccinated against some awful illnesses 👍 That must have been an awkward decision for you, if you're vaccine hesitant, but the evidence would say that you've absolutely done the right thing 👍👍👍

 

HOW MUCH ARE PFIZER PAYING YOU TO PEDDLE THIS MURDEROUS SHIT???

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[stevieb]

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Rent free 

There's never any liability for the vaccine manufacturers. It's alway coincidence.