Plymouth Argyle (A)

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

23 minutes ago, green genie said:

What was he obviously trying to do? Get bummed?

What he usually does - pretend to challenge for the header without actually trying to head it

He was expecting your man to jump and he didn't 

[Wanderlust]

5 hours ago, green genie said:

Oh well, just back home from Sri Lanka to see the result. Well done and hope all that travellled had a great day(s) 

Limited feedback from friends and family is we weren’t at it and Pepple still jet lagged. Hopefully we can win at Barnsley to keep season alive.

A surprising result for all of us really after McAtee was sent off early. We were gifted a pen and at that stage I was just hoping we’d hang on, so to concede and then get a winner and then hang on again was a show of resilience and some astute substitutions and in-game management from Schumacher - who was impressive yesterday.

Hope you had a great time in Sri Lanka amigo.

[ianofcleveleys]

2 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I posted the other day that all of our centre backs are more comfortable in a 3, and both Conway and Tutu look more comfortable as wing backs. Just makes sense really, especially with such limited midfield options just now. 

100%  been a stuck record about this since the turn of the year, at least 5 of our players plus, arguably, the keeper, are happier and more effective in this set up

[masi 51]

We have seen two ways of playing the three at the back with two wingbacks with exactly the same players

1, We knock it about all day at the back then lose the ball. Our defenders are drawn forward and a long ball catches us out

we have had 70% posession  yet are 1 down

2  We play long, get it in the channels and try to put early crosses in the box. Our defenders do not tippy tap around

We stay in shape and do not get caught one on ones

Same shape, same players yet worlds apart   1, We have seen too many times this season against the teams that struggle. 

2 How we played yesterday

[Johnnyrotten]

16 hours ago, mickbrown said:

In all my years watching us, he's top of the league in being one lazy, shit,  disinterested fucker. Couldn't give less of a shit if he tried.

Honestly, I've dredged the memory banks and I can't think of a single player that has pissed me off more than that twat over the last 40 years. He's fucking infuriating.

If he's here next season I'm storming the pitch (if that's possible from the upper tiers)

You're watching a different player to me.  Happy to debate his lack of quality at times (heading, tackling, decision making or whatever) but if you don't think he's trying, I just don't know where you're coming from.  You can't think of any in the last 40 years, how about Gale and Apter for a kick off if you're talking about players that don't appear to "give a shit".  Maybe Taylor.  Tutu on his poorer days.  Forss.  Randall.  How many examples do we need.

[Johnnyrotten]

16 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Nah.  I wouldn't mind him being not very good, we've seen loads of them over the years. 

It's the lack of effort that boils my piss.

You can't be a professional footballer and refuse to head the ball. It's like being a swimmer and just using one arm and one leg. He's half a footballer. No amount of pointing will cover that. Dog shit.

 

He's terrible at heading, he's not refusing to.  Otherwise he wouldn't have score that header at Bristol Rovers, at the time virtually the only goal we scored with a header all season.  Things have improved on that front with Burstow and Dalby obviously.  But if you want a list of BW players that never head a ball, we could start with Cissoko and Apter, possibly Gale.  They aren't refusing to, they can't do it just like Dalby can't kick with his right foot and Forino can't use his left, they aren't refusing to.

[mickbrown]

29 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

He's terrible at heading, he's not refusing to.  Otherwise he wouldn't have score that header at Bristol Rovers, at the time virtually the only goal we scored with a header all season.  Things have improved on that front with Burstow and Dalby obviously.  But if you want a list of BW players that never head a ball, we could start with Cissoko and Apter, possibly Gale.  They aren't refusing to, they can't do it just like Dalby can't kick with his right foot and Forino can't use his left, they aren't refusing to.

His sending off yesterday was because he was pretending to go up from a header.

He does it every game. He's shite

[Johnnyrotten]

10 hours ago, Eddie said:

Strikers - Dalby, Kenny, Burstow

Wingers - Gale, Cissoko, Apter (Burstow probably)

10 - Rodrigues, Dempsey, Kenny

I’d rather any of those play ahead of him, and that’s just the ones who are fit at the moment. Clearly ACD, CBT would be ahead of him and probably Forss but that’s irrelevant to some extent.

Conclusion is that IMO (and absolutely appreciate that you see it differently) I have absolutely no concern with him missing the next 3 games.

Fair enough, likewise no problem with anyone seeing him differently, although I'd draw the line at questioning his attitude, SS wouldn't put up with someone not trying.

I'd take the wingers out of this debate about no.10's and strikers.

Dalby a nailed on starter because he leads the line and does all the physical stuff as well as scores his share.

Of the other 4, Dempsey is very different and yes I'd generally want him in the team - not necessarily as a 10 though, very much an up and down player full of industry, not one you'd class as a 10 or a 2nd striker IMO.

That leaves Kenny, Rodriguez and Burstow.  Fine, they're OK, just not above McAtee so far in their career or in RR's case he looks classy but struggling to get going and/or prove his fitness.

Kenny is OK and has shown occasional promise, but no more, and but doesn't look like a scorer so far, and can be anonymous eg at Vale, not much better v Doncaster, nice pen yesterday but not a game to shout out he must start.

Burstow fine but up and down and a long spell of being terrible - credit to him he's come back well but far from someone to be relied on over a period of time.

Fact is we need better for next season, we need more creativity and goal threat but that's for another day.

[Johnnyrotten]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

His sending off yesterday was because he was pretending to go up from a header.

He does it every game. He's shite

Pretending to go up for a header isn't a sending off offence, otherwise he'd have been sent off a lot more times once in 5 years.

We have a lot of shite, that's where we're at, if that's the benchmark.

[RUREADY2ROLL]

11 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Fair enough, likewise no problem with anyone seeing him differently, although I'd draw the line at questioning his attitude, SS wouldn't put up with someone not trying.

I'd take the wingers out of this debate about no.10's and strikers.

Dalby a nailed on starter because he leads the line and does all the physical stuff as well as scores his share.

Of the other 4, Dempsey is very different and yes I'd generally want him in the team - not necessarily as a 10 though, very much an up and down player full of industry, not one you'd class as a 10 or a 2nd striker IMO.

That leaves Kenny, Rodriguez and Burstow.  Fine, they're OK, just not above McAtee so far in their career or in RR's case he looks classy but struggling to get going and/or prove his fitness.

Kenny is OK and has shown occasional promise, but no more, and but doesn't look like a scorer so far, and can be anonymous eg at Vale, not much better v Doncaster, nice pen yesterday but not a game to shout out he must start.

Burstow fine but up and down and a long spell of being terrible - credit to him he's come back well but far from someone to be relied on over a period of time.

Fact is we need better for next season, we need more creativity and goal threat but that's for another day.

He tries; no doubting that. But he is simply shit and a liability 

Edited April 4 by RUREADY2ROLL

[Farnywhite]

Only just seen the sending off don’t think  he actually makes much contact or if any with iplayers head and he makes a meal iof it clutching is face on the floor . but the looking behind himself mcatee makes it a lot worse think he as a chance of it being over turned .
Game brilliant backs to the walls after a dodgy start you don’t see wins like that often with 10 men . 
Plymouth a good drink and the people are good thought there crowd was really quiet though no noise until they scored and then back to be quiet again 5 minutes later grounds a bit of a hike from the Barbican 

Edited April 4 by Farnywhite

[Johnnyrotten]

9 hours ago, masi 51 said:

The Mentality of this squad is streets ahead of any team we have had since administration. The Evatt team that won the Papa Johns was a much better team football wise. As regard Mcatee it is rank bad scouting to sign a player who will not jump and head the ball, i thought he could be the answer to our problems alongside Dalby i was wrong. Burstow is levels ahead of him and only going to get better.

Burstow has some half decent games, but that 3 month spell was worrying.  Credit to him for coming out the other side but if McAtee had played so long without doing anything he'd have got pelters, rightly so.  Burstow got the arm round the shoulder because his face fits and he didn't cost any money, if we'd paid £1mil for him it would have been different. 

I had some family round while I watched the game (terrible timing but its Easter), and I was asked why Burstow was running so slow in the last 10 minutes when we were clinging on.  I hadn't noticed but when I saw it through other's eyes I had to just say that's him running fast, he only has one speed.  To say he's streets ahead of any proven L1 striker is generous, and not sure why we'd expect him to improve, he isn't a kid.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

What he usually does - pretend to challenge for the header without actually trying to head it

He was expecting your man to jump and he didn't 

As SS said though, don't jump into your opponent.

He needs to be a bit smarter.

I remember watching Robbie Fowler closely one game in the pub.

Every time a high ball came up, he would "jump" for it just enough to be a bit of a barrier for the centre half. 

Sometimes won free kicks, but generally wouldn't win the first header against a much bigger opponent. 

Again, being smart.

[Traf]

It was like playing with 10 before McAtee got sent off, so taking Gale didn't actually affect our numbers.

I'd not shed a single tear if I never saw Gale in a Bolton shirt ever again.
Yeah, there's possibly a player there, but he's so bad.
He's quick - but only when he can be arsed, his decision making is poor as is his shooting generally (the odd one will fly in according the throw enough shit at a wall rule) and he's so timid. He offers no help/protection to the full back either.


 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Traf said:

It was like playing with 10 before McAtee got sent off, so taking Gale didn't actually affect our numbers.

I'd not shed a single tear if I never saw Gale in a Bolton shirt ever again.
Yeah, there's possibly a player there, but he's so bad.
He's quick - but only when he can be arsed, his decision making is poor as is his shooting generally (the odd one will fly in according the throw enough shit at a wall rule) and he's so timid. He offers no help/protection to the full back either.


 

The latter part of that is partly why Conway gets exposed.

Little protection, so when the full back does go forward, there is a hole to be exploited.

[Farnywhite]

The only one of the loan I wouldn’t mind seeing next season ( dubbery a side ) would be possible Kenny is quickness off the mark for league one is good has something about. Him but obviously frustrating in front of goal but over a season could see him going on a good run of goals . That’s if we’re still league 1 

Edited April 4 by Farnywhite

[Traf]

1 minute ago, Farnywhite said:

The only one of the loan I wouldn’t mind seeing next season ( dubbery a side ) would be possible Kenny is quickness off the mark for league one is good has something about. Him but obviously frustrating in front of goal but over a season could see him going on a good run of goals . That’s if we’re still league 1 

He's definitely sharp. Just need to improve the finishing.

[masi 51]

I would certainly have Burstow back if in lge 1. He is learning his trade and will be a better player for his first full season

[Farnywhite]

6 minutes ago, Traf said:

He's definitely sharp. Just need to improve the finishing.

Yes but he is young enough to improve next season with us if he is banging them in now  there isn’t a possibility of him being here league one next season but he could turn out to be a cracking signing permanently or loan again with that extra 12 months 

[deeane Koontz]

Took some balls keeping 2 up front after going a man down.

[deeane Koontz]

Their defence were at panic stations when it bounced or they were slightly isolated.

[MancWanderer]

19 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Honestly, I've dredged the memory banks and I can't think of a single player that has pissed me off more than that twat over the last 40 years. He's fucking infuriating.

I’ll give you one @mickbrown. And only one

Ian Moores

Another stump that couldn’t head a ball. Always seemed to manage to leapt too early and end up underneath the ball when it arrived in the box

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, Ani said:

Dalby really puts in some effort to get in the box for the winner. 4 Plymouth players between him and goal here. 

Watching the goals back yesterday, that was something I noticed in particular. 

10 men, one apiece, it would have been easy not to bust a gut and see if Burstow would just hold it up.

But no, he just went for it.

There is definitely a bit of an understanding now with Kenny/Burstow putting crosses in knowing the main man will be there or thereabouts. 

SS said on interview that he felt we had to keep two up top as we wouldn't withstand an onslaught for all that time.

It worked for sure.

[Jol_BWFC]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

It was like playing with 10 before McAtee got sent off, so taking Gale didn't actually affect our numbers.

I'd not shed a single tear if I never saw Gale in a Bolton shirt ever again.
Yeah, there's possibly a player there, but he's so bad.
He's quick - but only when he can be arsed, his decision making is poor as is his shooting generally (the odd one will fly in according the throw enough shit at a wall rule) and he's so timid. He offers no help/protection to the full back either.


 

Got to agree. Gale shoots 20 times and 19 of those it’s high, wide and (not) handsome. Exeter away is not enough to make up for the rest of the wasted opportunities.

Edited April 4 by Jol_BWFC

[Tonge moor green jacket]

35 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

I’ll give you one @mickbrown. And only one

Ian Moores

Another stump that couldn’t head a ball. Always seemed to manage to leapt too early and end up underneath the ball when it arrived in the box

Worse for me, bar none, was Nigel Jemson.

Was so lazy and disinterested, that he couldn't be bothered to hide the fact that he didn't want to be here.

Simply couldn't be bothered to do anything!