lehman

[Casino]

whats with all this talk about

 

should've let play go on, and allowed the goal

 

no problem with that, but why the suggestion that the game would have been 11 on 11

 

surely, he still goes off

 

can't get my head round it, to be honest

[Carlos]

It the goal stood, he wouldn't have denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, which is a red card offence. Therefore, yellow card and 1-0. Them's the rules.

[Guest Biff]

Perhaps if they had been allowed to play on, Lehman would not have prevented a goal scoring opportunity.

[Casino]

It the goal stood, he wouldn't have denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, which is a red card offence. Therefore, yellow card and 1-0. Them's the rules.

 

not having seen the offence/goal i though he fouled somebody and the ball rolled to somebody else

 

never mind

 

 

he's a cheating bastard anyway

 

[Carlos]

It the goal stood, he wouldn't have denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, which is a red card offence. Therefore, yellow card and 1-0. Them's the rules.

 

not having seen the offence/goal i though he fouled somebody and the ball rolled to somebody else

 

never mind

 

 

he's a cheating bastard anyway

 

That's what happened. You could argue that he did deny an opportunity and the bloke who put the ball in the net was a seperate opportunity. However, that would be down to interpretation.

[exiledwhite2]

It the goal stood, he wouldn't have denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, which is a red card offence. Therefore, yellow card and 1-0. Them's the rules.

 

not having seen the offence/goal i though he fouled somebody and the ball rolled to somebody else

 

never mind

 

 

he's a cheating bastard anyway

 

Think sending him off AND allowing the goal would be outrageously harsh.

 

Should only happen where the offence was violent conduct IMO

 

I don't know what the rules actually are, Carlos sounds about reet

[Zico]

if I remember right

 

last season (not one just gone, one before)

 

city at home

 

anelka through

 

jussi brings him down in the box

 

barton scores loose ball

 

goal given, jussi stays on the pitch

 

up to the ref I spose

 

which would you rather have

 

11 men and 1-0 down after 15mins

 

or

 

10 men and 0-0 with 75 mins left

[Ani]

he denied a goal scoring opportunity so was sent off.

 

 

the ref could have let play go and then barca would have scored, so he would nt have stopped a goal being scored.

 

imo he should have let the goal stand and lehman would probably not even have been booked. (the rules probably sya he should be booked but doubt if it would have happened)

 

but once the ref blew he had to go, simple as.

 

he is a german cheating red ginger so no sympathy.

[Carlos]

I have a theory, that I've held for a while: our top clubs and players are mollycoddled by the FA and referees. When they encounter a ref who doesn't give every decision in their favour, they haven't got a clue how to react.

 

If Lehman had been sent of numerous times this season, like he should have been, this may not have occurred. Henry would have also known how to play against players who don't get booked the first time they touch him.

[Casino]

the ref could have let play go and then barca would have scored, so he would nt have stopped a goal being scored

 

think thats my point, though

 

he would have stopped an opportunty

 

ie the first one

 

and ok it broke to his team mate, but my opinion is that it was the same offence, regardless of what happened afterwards

[no balls]

I do agree the premiership refs have turned men into ponces but a Norwegian ref? Was that the best choice, don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are Norwegian, but does he ref at the highest level week in and week out! The answer to my rhetorical question has to be a 'no'!

[YATESY]

Lemon stopped a goalscoring opportunity

 

Ref though could have played advantage and allow goal to be scored

 

Ref goes back to the Lemon's offence and issue Red card

 

 

 

Checked these facts with my mate the referee and he says Lemon should have still been sent off after the advantage produced the goal, as he had stopped a goalscoring opportunity, the advantage becomes a secondary and seperate event.

[Carlos]

However, as I said, that is down to interpretation. There simply isn't a definative answer.

[jayjayoghani]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/e...ope/4993994.stm

 

Referee Terje Hauge has admitted he may have acted too quickly in sending off Arsenal keeper Jens Lehmann during Barcelona's Champions League triumph

 

Hauge dismissed Lehmann in the 18th minute for fouling Samuel Eto'o, with Ludovic Giuly's resulting effort ruled out as Hauge had blown for a free-kick.

 

"I would have liked to have taken a few more seconds before I made a decision," Hauge told a Norwegian newspaper.

 

"If I'd done that, I could have given a goal and given a yellow card as well."

 

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and captain Thierry Henry have both slammed Hauge's performance in Paris and claimed his decisions favoured the Spanish side.

 

But the Norwegian said he was pleased with his overall display as Barcelona won the match 2-1 thanks to goals from Eto'o and Juliano Belletti.

 

And he said the Lehmann incident was a difficult one to judge after the German became the first player to be sent off in a European Cup final.

 

He added: "We had full control of the match and all in all I'm quite happy with my performance.

 

"Under other circumstances I would perhaps have done something different with Lehmann, but this mostly rested on the positioning in relation to the situation.

 

"Everything happens quickly on the pitch and for me it looked as if there was physical contact.

 

"As well as that it happened in the linesman's working area and I had no reason to doubt him in this instance.

 

"It was obviously a big game for Arsenal, and to lose is a huge disappointment so I understand their frustration. But we'll have to give it a few days so we can discuss this more sensibly."

[exiledwhite2]

Lemon stopped a goalscoring opportunity

 

Ref though could have played advantage and allow goal to be scored

 

Ref goes back to the Lemon's offence and issue Red card

 

 

 

Checked these facts with my mate the referee and he says Lemon should have still been sent off after the advantage produced the goal, as he had stopped a goalscoring opportunity, the advantage becomes a secondary and seperate event.

 

Don't give a shite what the 'rules' are, that to me would be plain silly. Completely out of proportion with the seriousness of the offence.

[Casino]

lets do away with rules/refs and give exiledwhite a ring next time theres a decision to be made

[Mike Hunt]

should they not have been down to 9 men at 0-0, though?

 

Eboue should have had a second yellow for the dive.

[exiledwhite2]

lets do away with rules/refs and give exiledwhite a ring next time theres a decision to be made

 

 

I'm often out, pissed up, on saturday afternoons

 

Could be some terrible inconsistency in my decisions, which would be heavily influenced by the team in question and nationality of the player

 

But hey, it should add to the entertainment factor...

[YATESY]

lets do away with rules/refs and give exiledwhite a ring next time theres a decision to be made

 

 

I'm often out, pissed up, on saturday afternoons

 

Could be some terrible inconsistency in my decisions, which would be heavily influenced by the team in question and nationality of the player

 

But hey, it should add to the entertainment factor...

 

That is why I thought you would support my slant on things! German plays for Arsenal surely goal should stand and red card as well!!!

[SatanGreavsie]

I think they should have given the goal and sent him off and chopped one of his hands off. But to be fair they should let him chose which one.

[Traf]

It should have a goal and a sending off, plus another Arsenal player of lehmann's choice to be sent off.

[Brains]

I havent read the full message so if this is repitition, i apologise.

If the fowl had happened in the middle of the park, and the ball broke to one of their players, would the ref have let play go on. In my opinion, he would have cause he was playing advantage, in which case the goal should have stood and Lehmann should just have been yellow carded.

[Ani]

should they not have been down to 9 men at 0-0, though?

 

Eboue should have had a second yellow for the dive.

 

eboue should have been sent off for the challenge he got booked for.

 

henry took a lot of stick but what a ragging baby.

[Casino]

Lehaman should of been given a yellow car and the goal should of stood. There is a rule that referees have to inforce more know because it is called "ADVANTAGE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

when you read your posts, are you not ashamed?

[Exiled Girl]

I'm sure I've read that yellow cars are pretty high up in the accident roll call