Just seen this in the paper

 

Allardyce, 54, who was interviewed by Niall Quinn, the Sunderland chairman, before Keane?s appointment in August 2006,

 

Now wasn't the fat lad still our manager at that point?

I despair sometimes. Suspect that most of the detractors never went through the dark days.

 

BSA had faults eh? Well, fook me gently, don't say some folk actually have faults. I may have the odd one myself.

 

Rioch a better BWFC manager than BSA? Do give over FFS.

 

 

Sam - one promotion, one cup final

Bruce - two promotions, one cup final.

 

Which one of em ended up at Arsenal?

Sam - one promotion, one cup final

Bruce - two promotions, one cup final.

 

Which one of em ended up at Arsenal?

 

Allardyce - 8 seasons in the top flight, 4 top 10 finishes, 2 European qualifications

 

Rioch - did he even manage a full season in the top flight?

 

No contest, stop fishing mick.

Edited December 11, 200817 yr by Burndens Bogs

All I'm saying is the foundations were already there for Sam - new stadium, recent Premiership experience.

 

Bruce had nowt - 15 seasons of decline, Burden crumbling round his ears, feck all money. He turned it round, he set the tone, without him there'd be no Sam, no Premiership, no Europe.

 

 

Far more important in my eyes.

Edited December 11, 200817 yr by mickbrown

It could be argued that Phil Neal laid the foundations for Rioch.

 

 

Don't get wrong, Rioch was superb for this club - Allardyce just took us to another level.

allardyce was easily the most successful manager in my era

 

to achieve what he did in the cash dominated game of today was incredible

 

i've no problem with

 

how he left

 

touting himself for england

 

the style of play

 

none of it

 

not even calling folk naive, cos i actually agree with him (if he meant expecting europe was naive)

 

my problem is with idiots who think every subsequent manager has failed if he doesn't emulate allardyce

 

we know what he achieved was amazing, so it's totally unreasonable to expect it to be repeated, especially as allardyce himself had run out of new ideas by the end (imo)

 

judge megson and bolton on what they are - one of the poorest supported and financially uncompetitive club in the prem

It could be argued that Phil Neal laid the foundations for Rioch.

 

 

Don't get wrong, Rioch was superb for this club - Allardyce just took us to another level.

 

mcateer, stubbs and walker

 

ffs, failure to get promoted with that spine would be close to inept

Sam - one promotion, one cup final

Bruce - two promotions, one cup final.

 

Which one of em ended up at Arsenal?

 

I'm pretty sure that if Allardyce's achievements had have been in the mid 90's then he would have got the Arsenal job too.

 

Totally different time period, unfair to compare.

 

Rioch did a fantastic job for us but Allardyce transformed everything about the club.

 

Under Rioch we were estatic to get in the Prem, under Allardyce the Prem became the norm (how good is that when you consider our recent past) and Europe became a reality.

 

Think about how likely it is that we will achieve a European spot, especially through the league, again and then reassess who was our best manager.

Sam - one promotion, one cup final

Bruce - two promotions, one cup final.

 

Which one of em ended up at Arsenal?

 

it needn't be an argument

 

but

 

alladyce took us as far as he could

 

rioch went at the first opportunity

 

fer me alladyce did more as he got us in the prem and kept us there

 

i doubt rioch would've kept us up but we'll never know

mcateer, stubbs and walker

 

ffs, failure to get promoted with that spine would be close to inept

 

Of course, but Phil Neal had to obtain those players in the first place -give him some credit ffs

allardyce was easily the most successful manager in my era

 

to achieve what he did in the cash dominated game of today was incredible

 

i've no problem with

 

how he left

 

touting himself for england

 

the style of play

 

none of it

 

not even calling folk naive, cos i actually agree with him (if he meant expecting europe was naive)

 

my problem is with idiots who think every subsequent manager has failed if he doesn't emulate allardyce

 

we know what he achieved was amazing, so it's totally unreasonable to expect it to be repeated, especially as allardyce himself had run out of new ideas by the end (imo)

 

judge megson and bolton on what they are - one of the poorest supported and financially uncompetitive club in the prem

 

Amen to all of that.

Of course, but Phil Neal had to obtain those players in the first place -give him some credit ffs

 

i was doing.........

 

all neals players

 

rioch just had to add to it

 

and add to it he did

i was doing.........

 

all neals players

 

rioch just had to add to it

 

and add to it he did

 

Ah,i misundertood your post..sorry

Ok my twopenneth on the big Sam issue

 

I started following Bolton around the Rioch era so i carnt comment on anything before that and i do appriciate what he did. i got to go to wembely twice in my first full season of going to the games. i saw bolton get promoted to the prem and saw the manager jump ship to a bigger club when he got the chance. (not unlike big Sam)

 

then came the todd/mcfarland ere and FIW i think that Toddy deservese some recognition for what he did at Bolton, some would say under greater financial constraints than Sam.

 

On Big Sam i will forever be greatful to him for a number or reasons !

 

Youri Djorkaeff being the main one, granted a bit old and wotnot but by far the most talented legend that ever pulled on a Bolton shirt.

 

Others that when i started supporting bolton i would have never dreamed would be playing for our club,

 

Okocha,

Hierro,

Anelka,

Campo,

N'gotty

 

being the big names

 

Possibily Diouf & Candeler.

 

Also i am thankful of such away days as Munich, Gumaries & Lisbon.

 

Oh an for keeping Bolton in the top flight for 8 years allowing me to watch some truly world class talented opposition as opposed to the sort of opposition that Leeds & Oldham play week in week out!

 

So on the Big Sam issues the only thing that grates with me is my Dissapoint and Disgust at how he left us and that is all i have against the guy and so i wish him luck at what ever job he takes next cause i for one believe he will be back amongst it sooner or later.

 

Edited December 11, 200817 yr by ringer

Interesting debate.

 

Find it hard to knock Allardyce's achievements on paper. Now, I dunno if it's an age thing, but I found my passion for BWFC in general wane whilst watching his teams and my likelyness to be bored at a game or not be bothered going increase significantly, particularly during the latter months of his last 2 seasons...

 

Is that down to Allardyce or me?

 

I'm not sure, probably a bit of both.

 

Whatever the reason, I just can't help thinking he's a bell-end.

allardyce was easily the most successful manager in my era

 

to achieve what he did in the cash dominated game of today was incredible

 

i've no problem with

 

how he left

 

touting himself for england

 

the style of play

 

none of it

 

not even calling folk naive, cos i actually agree with him (if he meant expecting europe was naive)

 

my problem is with idiots who think every subsequent manager has failed if he doesn't emulate allardyce

 

we know what he achieved was amazing, so it's totally unreasonable to expect it to be repeated, especially as allardyce himself had run out of new ideas by the end (imo)

 

judge megson and bolton on what they are - one of the poorest supported and financially uncompetitive club in the prem

 

Agree on all counts. I would only add that Gartside deserves credit for the Allardyce era also, as he does for Megson's minor (in comparison) achievements thus far.

 

Many managers fail due to insecure boards / owners, rather than their lack of ability.

Interesting debate.

 

Find it hard to knock Allardyce's achievements on paper. Now, I dunno if it's an age thing, but I found my passion for BWFC in general wane whilst watching his teams and my likelyness to be bored at a game or not be bothered going increase significantly, particularly during the latter months of his last 2 seasons...

 

Is that down to Allardyce or me?

 

I'm not sure, probably a bit of both.

 

Whatever the reason, I just can't help thinking he's a bell-end.

 

I find myself agreeing with that.

Bruce had nowt - 15 seasons of decline, Burden crumbling round his ears, feck all money. He turned it round, he set the tone, without him there'd be no Sam, no Premiership, no Europe.

 

The season we came up from th'old third, Riochs first, didn't we spend more than anyone else in the division ?

Rioch got us playing some wonderful stuff, and brought back the felggod factor, but you would struggle to imagine him doing what Allardyce did for the club.

You can sum Allardyce's current standing in the game up with the fact Newcastle got rid of him and brought in Joe Kinnear.

Different eras and different circumstances, I'm a big fan of both, but I find it hard to decide who I'd rate as the better boss for us.

 

Probably Allardyce on longevity but it's close

 

Fact is Rioch turned a mid table div 3 outfit into a top flight team in 3 seasons, had all those cup wins, and got us to a cup final. I never imagined I'd even see Bolton in the top flight until Rioch totally changed the BWFC mindset.

not even calling folk naive, cos i actually agree with him (if he meant expecting europe was naive)

 

He was referring to those who were disappointed ultimately not to make Europe (which is quite different to "expecting" Europe from the off).

That season we played 20 games post New Year and got 17 points out of the first 10 of them; in the light of form at that stage, I'd defy anyone to suggest that getting just 8 from the next 10 games was anything but disappointing.

He was referring to those who were disappointed ultimately not to make Europe (which is quite different to "expecting" Europe from the off).

That season we played 20 games post New Year and got 17 points out of the first 10 of them; in the light of form at that stage, I'd defy anyone to suggest that getting just 8 from the next 10 games was anything but disappointing.

 

I was as naive as SG on this one, becuase I was disappointed in the way our season fizzled out after losing 2 cup games in a week (v Marseille and West Ham)

You can sum Allardyce's current standing in the game up with the fact Newcastle got rid of him and brought in Joe Kinnear.

 

Carlos, King Kevin The Messiah took over when Sam left and all was going to be rosey in The Promised Land.

You can sum Allardyce's current standing in the game up with the fact Newcastle got rid of him and brought in Joe Kinnear.

 

Crazy statement, that says more about Newcastle's inadequacies than Allardyces

Crazy statement, that says more about Newcastle's inadequacies than Allardyces

 

I was expecting more catches than that

Sign a centre-half and keep Owen fit.

 

That's the key to Newcastle's season.

The former will prove easier than the latter.

 

PS The centre-half is to play alongside Taylor, not as his replacement.

Sideshow Bob Coloccini Valderrama is slower than a oil tanker.

 

 

we've bid for upson apparently.

 

you must watch a different collocini to us, and a different taylor.

 

taylor is a liability, colo and bassong have been a revelation for us, especially in the last few games.