tylswhite Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Klasnic did precisely nothing other than score - brilliant. We don't need another work-hard, score-little striker, we already have one of those, we need a goalscorer and if Klasnic fancies just wandering around the pitch for an hour but scoring his only chance, then I'll take that every time. I haven't seen us live much this season and was shocked by how ineffective Taylor was, barring one free-kick. Obviously a few on here have said how below-par he's been but it still came as a surprise Taylor has been woeful but he has to stay in the team imo because we know he is capable of a lot better and he can produce a match winning moment either with his delivery or a wonder goal.
Traf Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Taylor has been woeful but he has to stay in the team imo because we know he is capable of a lot better and he can produce a match winning moment either with his delivery or a wonder goal. Which should have happened late on at Fulham, regardless of whether we deserved it or not.
tylswhite Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Which should have happened late on at Fulham, regardless of whether we deserved it or not. Spot on, cant see many others in our squad producing a delivery like that either. I dont buy into that deserve crap anyway, i believe you get what you deserve unless the referee has done something dodgy. If we had of converted that chance late on somebody in the Fulham team must of fucked up somewhere for it to happen so therefore they wouldnt of deserved anything. Everton were at it yesterday moaning on about deserving a win/draw.
Gaz Nt Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Your spot on tylswhite, Matty Taylors set pieces are usually spot on and we have nobody else in our team who can replicate that. Which is backed up by the fact that 90% of our goals have been scored from set pieces this season. Also, how come Chungy has suddenly been dropped? Ide rather see ricky g and chungy on the wings with matty taylor and muamba in midfield.
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) LMAO Goals win points, if a striker scores hes done his job imo. Klasnic is so much better than Elmander because when he gets the ball he actually believes he is going to score whereas Elmander cant even control the ball never mind hit it goalwards. You can just tell when Klasnic gets the ball he is thinking GOAL, GOAL, GOAL where Elmander is probably thinking please hit the target. Maybe its just a confidence thing for Elmander who knows? but whatever it is he doesnt look like scoring. see thats just utter tosh. of course goalscoring is a massive part, but so is actually being involved in the game. i didnt notice klasic do anything else of note, and he certainly couldnt hold the ball up as it kept coming back at us. people moaned about us sitting back, but if your striker cant relieve the pressure on the defence by keeping possesion, then he shouldnt be in the team imo. obvioulsy goals make this kinda decision a very tough one. Edited November 30, 2009 by HomerJay
frank_spencer Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 see thats just utter tosh. of course goalscoring is a massive part, but so is actually being involved in the game. i didnt notice klasic do anything else of note, and he certainly couldnt hold the ball up as it kept coming back at us. people moaned about us sitting back, but if your striker cant relieve the pressure on the defence by keeping possesion, then he shouldnt be in the team imo. obvioulsy goals make this kinda decision a very tough one. the old Michael owen conundrum. if i striker does fuck all apart from score is he worth his place in the side? with a more solid defensive unit than ours behind them then i see no reason why not, but the reason Davies has done so well at bolton is his ability to cause problems for defenders other than just a goal threat. IMO Elmander is a better alround player than Klasnic but the one point a striker is and always has been judged on is their goal scoring ability
Casino Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Good point at Fulham, but anyone who thinks we are working towards anything remotely entertaining or easy on-the-eye is deluded. Garbage might be a more accurate description. Damien Duff's equaliser deprived thuggish Bolton of an ugly victory on a day when no one, especially not the game of football, was a winner. Bolton face a Football Association fine for failing to control their players after Kevin Davies was booked as early as the second minute and five more men in dark blue received yellow cards. They will consider it a price worth paying if the point they gained helps to keep them in the Premier League. They should just be grateful that there are no financial penalties for playing horrible football. The conditions, bright and crisp, were perfect for football, but Bolton did not want to play any and Fulham were unable to do so. It was probably unreasonable to expect any better from a side struggling at the foot of the table after just one win in six matches and whose manager had confirmed whispers of a disruptive elements in the dressing room. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0YK5GKxSX so, slag us off, then say its very understandable can take it from some biased southern journo, but 'fans' joining in is pathetic
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 so, slag us off, then say its very understandable can take it from some biased southern journo, but 'fans' joining in is pathetic seems thats a big part of this whole situation. rightly or wrongly, fans are now joining in with the bolton bashing. what ever happened to the whole "them and us" we had. sad, very sad....
Horwich Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 We cant keep clean sheets, so we need players who can put the ball in the back of the net. Klasnic can do this better than Elmander, so it should be Klasnic in the team.
Guest Biff Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 So Taylor is in the team not because he gives 90 minutes of effort but he might just MIGHT take one free kick that leads to a goal. Klasnik is in the team not because he produces anything but he might just MIGHT score a goal from his one chance. How many more passengers are we carrying?
MickyD Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 So Taylor is in the team not because he gives 90 minutes of effort but he might just MIGHT take one free kick that leads to a goal. Klasnik is in the team not because he produces anything but he might just MIGHT score a goal from his one chance. How many more passengers are we carrying? Tell me Biff, what, exactly did Nic Anelka do for Bolton during his time here? Yes, yes, I know, he scored goals, but what did he do besides all the goals he scored? Did he ever track back and defend? No. Did he ever get "stuck in" with a crunching tackle? No. Bottom line is, he scored goals for us, something Elmander isn't doing despite the number of times he gets a game. Something Klasnic won't ever do if he sits on the bench for a full game. Elmander has had his chance, time for a long spell in the side for Klasnic.
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 We cant keep clean sheets, so we need players who can put the ball in the back of the net. Klasnic can do this better than Elmander, so it should be Klasnic in the team. by the same token, a defence can only hold on so long if they are constantly under pressure. if the strikers (or any other player) can keep the ball, then the opposition can attack. arsenal dont concede many goals, because the oppostion dont have the ball, not because they are a great defensive team.
tylswhite Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 So Taylor is in the team not because he gives 90 minutes of effort but he might just MIGHT take one free kick that leads to a goal. Klasnik is in the team not because he produces anything but he might just MIGHT score a goal from his one chance. How many more passengers are we carrying? Have we got anybody better sat around doing nothing? Have we fuck
tylswhite Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 see thats just utter tosh. of course goalscoring is a massive part, but so is actually being involved in the game. i didnt notice klasic do anything else of note, and he certainly couldnt hold the ball up as it kept coming back at us. people moaned about us sitting back, but if your striker cant relieve the pressure on the defence by keeping possesion, then he shouldnt be in the team imo. obvioulsy goals make this kinda decision a very tough one. Watch the match against Blackburn again and come back and tell me he can control a ball. He is utter wank, he doesnt hold the ball up and he doesnt score.
whiteboy Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Think Klasnic's overall game was better than Elmander last week to be honest. He has a better touch than the swede. Also proved this when he came on at OT.
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Watch the match against Blackburn again and come back and tell me he can control a ball. He is utter wank, he doesnt hold the ball up and he doesnt score. i must have different memorys of this to you then? the only thing that lets elmander down (goals aside again), is his COMPLETE lack of physical strength. his 1st touch is as good as any other player at the club. if you cant see that then im totally bemused.
tylswhite Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 i must have different memorys of this to you then? the only thing that lets elmander down (goals aside again), is his COMPLETE lack of physical strength. his 1st touch is as good as any other player at the club. if you cant see that then im totally bemused. What a load of bulls bags, the amount of times the ball comes into him and he gets it caught up under his feet and loses it is unreal. If you think its only physical strength letting him down apart from the fact he cant score then your fucking deluded. Who has a striker who cant score and isnt physically strong anyway? It like having a car with no wheels or windows, fucking pointless.
Traf Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 It like having a car with no wheels or windows, fucking pointless. Then why have loads of houses up Jonny Fow got them in their front gardens, if they're useless?
newquay central Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 What a load of bulls bags, the amount of times the ball comes into him and he gets it caught up under his feet and loses it is unreal. If you think its only physical strength letting him down apart from the fact he cant score then your fucking deluded. Who has a striker who cant score and isnt physically strong anyway? It like having a car with no wheels or windows, fucking pointless. Spot on tyls , Elmander s had his chance and blew it , the more i see of Klasnic the more i like and he certainly as an eye for goal . He has to have a good run in the team now .
newquay central Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 [quote name='HomerJay' date='Nov 30 2009, 03:23 PM' post='7015 the only thing that lets elmander down (goals aside again), is his COMPLETE lack of physical strength. Brilliant iv heard it all now .Along with his inability to pass, head , tackle should i go on
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 What a load of bulls bags, the amount of times the ball comes into him and he gets it caught up under his feet and loses it is unreal. If you think its only physical strength letting him down apart from the fact he cant score then your fucking deluded. Who has a striker who cant score and isnt physically strong anyway? It like having a car with no wheels or windows, fucking pointless. any chance of you having an reasonable debate without being a complete twat?
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 [quote name='HomerJay' date='Nov 30 2009, 03:23 PM' post='7015 the only thing that lets elmander down (goals aside again), is his COMPLETE lack of physical strength. Brilliant iv heard it all now .Along with his inability to pass, head , tackle should i go on inablilty to pass??? how many strikers do you know that tackle???
Athywhite_Mike Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 inablilty to pass??? how many strikers do you know that tackle??? Elmander is utter gash mate, stop defending him.
MickyD Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 inablilty to pass??? how many strikers do you know that tackle??? SKD for starters. Rooney is probably the next best.
HomerJay Posted November 30, 2009 Posted November 30, 2009 Elmander is utter gash mate, stop defending him. aye its that simple i wonder how many managers pick their teams turn up at 2pm and say "youre good, youre good, youre good and youre good, so can all play, but youre crap and youre crap so you cant play. simple, we'll piss this games boys"
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