Wanderers 1 Burnley 0

[MickyD]

The text thing was just another money making scam from BWFC or a sponsor. Text in at 50p a go to say you thought player x was MOM.

[Guest Frandsen08]

The text thing was just another money making scam from BWFC or a sponsor. Text in at 50p a go to say you thought player x was MOM.

 

cheeky bastards!

 

so is ther no official MOM anymore?

[Bobcat]

apart from Kinght and Cahill...

 

no one came out of it with any credit...

 

the game was awful...if that would of been one of the ginger cunts games the crowd would of been in uproar!

 

just before we scored i was saying that i would be glad to get in at HT at 0-0 give em a bollocking and play a bit of football second half...truth is we were worse 2nd half!!

 

the constant head tennis and long balls down the line from Steineson (aka Phil Brown)were tedious...

 

the thing is some of our players have been playing that way for close on 12 years...

 

midfield is light, Muamba, Cohen and Taylor!!!!! the sooner Mark Davie is back and stands on the ball and passes it the better...

 

still onwards and upwards point against the bin dippers and beat Fulham and we are on the way!!

[kaydan]

Maybe its just me, but didnt Davies set up the goal and set up Muamba with another great chance. 2 of the best passes of the game. Also his workrate together with Elmander in the last 20 mins ensured Burnley couldnt play from the back. How many Burnley passes went into touch due the harrassment from our front two. Sure, Davies finishing was poor, but it always has been.

[Zico]

overall it was a poor game, but the result is all that matters, knight impressed me again just wish he could head the ball to a white shirt once in a while, muamba was his usual solid self as was cohen. Hopefully this Weiss bloke can play left wing as all our play comes down the right hand side, chung-yong is our most/only creative player but his final ball needs to improve. Onwards and upwards

 

i thought it was alright that game

 

you can see the difference in style of play, getting out wide, trying to get in behind the full backs and getting crosses in

 

watched again on footy first later and could see that players are trying to get a pass and move mentality going in

 

just some players haven't got used to moving yet, or getting in good positions

 

but that'll come

 

positive and encouraging but bit rusty round the edges

 

the more megson is gone, the more i think i didn't like him, or his football etc

[Guest bwfcdan]

The quicker you admit that you were wrong about Chungy the better because you are fighting a losing battle. We would be bottom if it wasnt for him, he has been our best player this season and was the best player on the pitch last night.

 

I admit i was wrong about him, he is a good player. But his final ball is poor. Cahill was the best player on the pitch last night by far...

[MickyD]

i thought it was alright that game

 

you can see the difference in style of play, getting out wide, trying to get in behind the full backs and getting crosses in

 

watched again on footy first later and could see that players are trying to get a pass and move mentality going in

 

just some players haven't got used to moving yet, or getting in good positions

 

but that'll come

 

positive and encouraging but bit rusty round the edges

 

the more megson is gone, the more i think i didn't like him, or his football etc

 

It's often not a case of not moving. From what I saw last night, they're moving . . . but not to the place the ball goes. At one stage the crowd audibly sighed; as one; when Ricketts spooned the ball into a space behind Burnley's right back. Unfortunately, the forwards hadn't seen it early enough to make a run. Who was wrong, Ricketts for seeing a space and trying to exploit it or SKD/Elmander for not seeing what Ricketts had seen?

 

It'll take a while but, eventually, all the players will be singing from the same hymn sheet.

[HomerJay]

It's often not a case of not moving. From what I saw last night, they're moving . . . but not to the place the ball goes. At one stage the crowd audibly sighed; as one; when Ricketts spooned the ball into a space behind Burnley's right back. Unfortunately, the forwards hadn't seen it early enough to make a run. Who was wrong, Ricketts for seeing a space and trying to exploit it or SKD/Elmander for not seeing what Ricketts had seen?

 

It'll take a while but, eventually, all the players will be singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

 

CYL did the same thing.

 

shit forwards imo. but it not something they are used to.

[tylswhite]

I admit i was wrong about him, he is a good player. But his final ball is poor. Cahill was the best player on the pitch last night by far...

 

Cahill and Knight were both very solid and they had a nice manly hug at full time to round it all off ::

[YATESY]

It's often not a case of not moving. From what I saw last night, they're moving . . . but not to the place the ball goes. At one stage the crowd audibly sighed; as one; when Ricketts spooned the ball into a space behind Burnley's right back. Unfortunately, the forwards hadn't seen it early enough to make a run. Who was wrong, Ricketts for seeing a space and trying to exploit it or SKD/Elmander for not seeing what Ricketts had seen?

 

It'll take a while but, eventually, all the players will be singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

The norm is to pass to a player not to pass into an empty space hoping a team-mate might appear.

 

 

I know waht your saying Micky but the space Ricketts spotted on that occassion was miles away from any Bolton player.

[Gaz Nt]

yer mums yer dad

Bouncy bouncy bouncy........

super kev

 

thats about it.

 

And...

 

OOOOOOoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOooooooooooooo YOU FAT BASTARD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[YATESY]

And...

 

OOOOOOoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOooooooooooooo YOU FAT BASTARD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

I know he's a keeper but he must be the most unnatural moving footballer the Premiership has ever seen. Talk about a flat footed waddle!

[MickyD]

The norm is to pass to a player not to pass into an empty space hoping a team-mate might appear.

 

 

I know waht your saying Micky but the space Ricketts spotted on that occassion was miles away from any Bolton player.

 

But he must have at least expected a player to run the diagonal into the space otherwise he really is a way off being called a professional footballer!

[YATESY]

But he must have at least expected a player to run the diagonal into the space otherwise he really is a way off being called a professional footballer!

 

It looked like he started to make your exact point about a diagonal run but then gave up when he realised how far off the two Bolton forwards were

[Boby Brno]

It's often not a case of not moving. From what I saw last night, they're moving . . . but not to the place the ball goes. At one stage the crowd audibly sighed; as one; when Ricketts spooned the ball into a space behind Burnley's right back. Unfortunately, the forwards hadn't seen it early enough to make a run. Who was wrong, Ricketts for seeing a space and trying to exploit it or SKD/Elmander for not seeing what Ricketts had seen?

 

It'll take a while but, eventually, all the players will be singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

They are playing all the right passes but not necessarily to all the right players!

Bring me sunshine...........

[SnoopJohnnyJohn]

Passing directly to players doesn't work... You need to exploit gaps and predict where players will move to in order to play fluid football. Ricketts was trying to play the ball into an area where a forward SHOULD have been attacking.

 

Last night, Matty Taylor played a first-time volley through ball to Muamba... it wasn't directly to Muamba's feet, it was in front of him so he didn't have to break his stride. Matty had to ASSUME that he could get there and so that's what he did. Ricketts was trying the same thing, and a combination of poor execution and lazy forward play were to blame for the move going askew.

 

The problem with Bolton is that for the past decade or so, we have played "Davies holds the ball up and lays it off to a supporting midfielder" which doesn't require a particularly sharp footballing brain in anyone except the centre back playing the ball up to him (hence why Ivan Campo and to a lesser extent Bruno N'Gotty looked like absolute legends - their forte was long-range passing). Kevin has performed this task very admirably, but that style of football is fast fading as a viable option - be that due to improved centre back play in the EPL or deeper midfield play - and so we need to move on and play football "the right way". Big Sam KNEW this and became disillusioned by not being allowed the funds to change the squad in the way he needed to. Sammy Lee KNEW this (and all respect to him for that) but he tried to change too much over a single pre-season period, with sub-standard players, and subsequently failed.

 

Coyle is trying to make this change happen. However, he needs to gradually make this happen over an extended period of time. So, for the time being at least, we need to accept that we will show glimpses of brilliance in a largely dull match. We will only be able to judge by the time NEXT season kicks off whether we have improved as a passing team or not. I think I'm on the same page as Coyle, in thinking that a more youthful midfield is the answer (more youth usually means more mobility and more desire to work OFF-THE-BALL) which is why Mark Davies is/was featuring predominantly and why Coyle has so far recruited two young midfielders (with a third in the shape of Jack Wilshire hopefully on the way).

 

Keep the faith... The future's bright... The future's Owen(ge)

[seasoned Traveller]

95% of Matt Taylors balls into the box last nught ended up in Jensens arms.....

 

However a win's a win.

[HomerJay]

Passing directly to players doesn't work... You need to exploit gaps and predict where players will move to in order to play fluid football. Ricketts was trying to play the ball into an area where a forward SHOULD have been attacking.

 

Last night, Matty Taylor played a first-time volley through ball to Muamba... it wasn't directly to Muamba's feet, it was in front of him so he didn't have to break his stride. Matty had to ASSUME that he could get there and so that's what he did. Ricketts was trying the same thing, and a combination of poor execution and lazy forward play were to blame for the move going askew.

 

The problem with Bolton is that for the past decade or so, we have played "Davies holds the ball up and lays it off to a supporting midfielder" which doesn't require a particularly sharp footballing brain in anyone except the centre back playing the ball up to him (hence why Ivan Campo and to a lesser extent Bruno N'Gotty looked like absolute legends - their forte was long-range passing). Kevin has performed this task very admirably, but that style of football is fast fading as a viable option - be that due to improved centre back play in the EPL or deeper midfield play - and so we need to move on and play football "the right way". Big Sam KNEW this and became disillusioned by not being allowed the funds to change the squad in the way he needed to. Sammy Lee KNEW this (and all respect to him for that) but he tried to change too much over a single pre-season period, with sub-standard players, and subsequently failed.

 

Coyle is trying to make this change happen. However, he needs to gradually make this happen over an extended period of time. So, for the time being at least, we need to accept that we will show glimpses of brilliance in a largely dull match. We will only be able to judge by the time NEXT season kicks off whether we have improved as a passing team or not. I think I'm on the same page as Coyle, in thinking that a more youthful midfield is the answer (more youth usually means more mobility and more desire to work OFF-THE-BALL) which is why Mark Davies is/was featuring predominantly and why Coyle has so far recruited two young midfielders (with a third in the shape of Jack Wilshire hopefully on the way).

 

Keep the faith... The future's bright... The future's Owen(ge)

 

top post, have green plus thingy

[HomerJay]

95% of Matt Taylors balls into the box last nught ended up in Jensens arms.....

 

However a win's a win.

 

and a few caused mayhem and won us corners.

 

i wouldnt be suprised if coyle told taylor to dump it on the keepers head, rather than hitting usual 1st man

[tyldesley_white]

and a few caused mayhem and won us corners.

 

i wouldnt be suprised if coyle told taylor to dump it on the keepers head, rather than hitting usual 1st man

 

My issue with the crossing of the ball (and this is just not Bolton) is that the large amount of crosses in the modern game come in from 15/20 yards out from the penalty box (this is what Beckham does) which to be far every one of those type off crosses should be the keepers ball, because it's coming straight at him .. nobody now gets to the by-line and get across from the ball moving away from the keeper and towards your forward coming in

[MOOSE36]

Really pleased with the 3 points and not too arsed about the performance.

real positives were knight, cahill, lee and cohen. Mumba frustrates me big time as did taylor last night but not enough to send him to stocks just yet. SKD didnt impress me last night and cant remember the last time i said that

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS

[HomerJay]

My issue with the crossing of the ball (and this is just not Bolton) is that the large amount of crosses in the modern game come in from 15/20 yards out from the penalty box (this is what Beckham does) which to be far every one of those type off crosses should be the keepers ball, because it's coming straight at him .. nobody now gets to the by-line and get across from the ball moving away from the keeper and towards your forward coming in

 

agreed. to me that is not "crossing the ball", thats just dumping it in the box. though if you get enough whip on the ball (like beckham does and taylor did a couple of times then fair enough)

 

some of lees crosses last night were shit, but at least the were from the byline.

[tyldesley_white]

agreed. to me that is not "crossing the ball", thats just dumping it in the box. though if you get enough whip on the ball (like beckham does and taylor did a couple of times then fair enough)

 

some of lees crosses last night were shit, but at least the were from the byline.

 

I total agree with you on all those points

[DeaneWhite]

Compared to Arsenal at home (a much better match even though we lost) the atmosphere was superb. Away fans tend to generate more noise at most games, largely due to the fact those who tend to go away tend to be the singers. As the away fans are concentrated in one area- 4000-5000 in one stand- they will always generate more noise than the home support. Last night, though, the ESL was as noisy as ever in recent times and even managed to outsing the Burnley fans on occasion.

 

I wouldn't say it was the best atmosphere at the Reebok ever. Not by a long way. Not even the best in the last two years, although it was up there with Atletico Madrid- and that was a capacity crowd (well, over 26,000 anyway)! But it was certainly an improvement over other basement battles. West Ham, for example (although a pathetic excuse for an away support didn't help), was like a funeral. Even the cup match against Lincoln beat that one in the atmosphere stakes!

 

As I mentioned in another thread, the crowds are not suddenly flooding back, but they are improving slowly. If a slower upward trend continues, then we may be able to get the 25,000+ crowds once again and turn the Reebok back into the fortress it once was. But we all have to be patient. If the atmosphere didn't seem as good as we thought it would be last night, then that is because our expectations were influenced by the media hype. We should not be disappointed in the improvements on or off the field. We should take them for what they are and remember we have to walk before we can run. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc., etc.

 

But I wonder how many of those that moan about atmosphere actually do anything themselves to improve it? We may be looking for leadership in chants, but if we all think the same, they never get started. Always waiting for someone else to make the first move.

 

One other observation; when clubs charge the same as an opera house for tickets, is it any wonder that the "audience" behaves in the same manner (watches quietly then claps politely in appropriate places)?

[Guest bwfcdan]

Apparently BBC radio lancashire we're taking the piss at the game last night. "After all the hype from Burnley fans that it would be great atmosphere they are in fact silent and all the noise is coming from the Bolton fans" ::