Sick Song To Sing At Goodison

[frank_spencer]

seems the red tops are joing the baying masses by gunning for Jack straw whilst the broadsheets are taking the educated and more sensible aproach.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/03/daily_view_jack_straw_withhold.html

[BWFC777]

No sick jokes chaps as this was a kid that got murdered.

 

well said

[Casino]

seems the red tops are joing the baying masses by gunning for Jack straw whilst the broadsheets are taking the educated and more sensible aproach.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/03/daily_view_jack_straw_withhold.html

 

 

i didn't get past this

 

"But the broader question is less about Venables's actions than about the light this shadowy returnee shines on the British soul. Though his crime was terrible beyond understanding, he is also a reminder of the shame of others. Just as no one knows what made him kill James Bulger, nobody knows what Furies drove him, hated and hunted, to where he is today.

 

well set about discovering the furies

 

but do it while he's banged up...use a cattle prod if necessary...wire the bastard up, i really don't care

 

it's alright taking the high ground and looking down on the tabloids while doffing caps to the broadsheets, but ffs, the bigger picture here is that the 'educated ytpes' reading the broadsheets are the ones who have shaped policty to a point where this shit is out and free to do it again

[Casino]

tried a bit more

 

If Venables lost his anonymity, he would spend the remainder of his life in fear

 

ah well

[frank_spencer]

I have no sympathy for Venables, but justice come before vengance in my eyes.

 

If those who are educated in these things deem it necessary for what he's been hauled back in for to remain out of the public eye until at least after the investigation is complete.

 

Venables should never have been let out but due to the intricacies and failings of the british justice system he was give a second chance, by all accounts he's roally screwed things up. But the system is in place for a reason and just because the baying masses don't like it because a headline case is in the media it can't just be tossed aside.

[Casino]

I have no sympathy for Venables, but justice come before vengance in my eyes.

 

If those who are educated in these things deem it necessary for what he's been hauled back in for to remain out of the public eye until at least after the investigation is complete.

 

Venables should never have been let out but due to the intricacies and failings of the british justice system he was give a second chance, by all accounts he's roally screwed things up. But the system is in place for a reason and just because the baying masses don't like it because a headline case is in the media it can't just be tossed aside.

 

justice...aye, that'd be a good start

 

frankly, i'm not arsed about what he's done

 

i am though sick to the back teeth of folk making excuses for venables and the wankers responsible for his release

Edited March 9, 2010 by Casino

[Smiley]

Whilst we are saying that the system has failed with Venables - maybe, just maybe, its been a massive success with Robert Thompson. For all we know he may be a shining light in his community, etc. We really don't know do we.

 

One of them was pretty sick, twisted & fucked up in the first place - was it Venables or Thompson?

[Pablo]

Whilst we are saying that the system has failed with Venables - maybe, just maybe, its been a massive success with Robert Thompson. For all we know he may be a shining light in his community, etc. We really don't know do we.

 

One of them was pretty sick, twisted & fucked up in the first place - was it Venables or Thompson?

 

 

Both really, Thompson was really fcuked up, abused, bullied, sexually assaulted by everyone, its strongly suspected that it was he that Sexually assaulted the poor little baby, and Venables that started the violence, and struck the killer blows(s).

Edited March 9, 2010 by Pablo

[Pablo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7372603/Jon-Venables-returned-to-Liverpool-for-drug-fuelled-nights-out.html

 

Life of fooking riley.

[BWFC777]

Whilst we are saying that the system has failed with Venables - maybe, just maybe, its been a massive success with Robert Thompson. For all we know he may be a shining light in his community, etc. We really don't know do we.

 

One of them was pretty sick, twisted & fucked up in the first place - was it Venables or Thompson?

 

BOTH

[MickyD]

Whilst we are saying that the system has failed with Venables - maybe, just maybe, its been a massive success with Robert Thompson. For all we know he may be a shining light in his community, etc. We really don't know do we.

 

One of them was pretty sick, twisted & fucked up in the first place - was it Venables or Thompson?

BOTH

 

I heard, though I don't know where, that one of those responsible for their care during the time spent 'rehabilitating' that, when told one of them had re-offended, said she expects it to be Thompson and was actually surprised at it being Venables.

If this woman is such a good psychologist, are we now looking at Thompson re-offending as well or did she get her judgement so seriously wrong? If the latter, what do we pay these so-called experts for?

[frank_spencer]

I heard, though I don't know where, that one of those responsible for their care during the time spent 'rehabilitating' that, when told one of them had re-offended, said she expects it to be Thompson and was actually surprised at it being Venables.

If this woman is such a good psychologist, are we now looking at Thompson re-offending as well or did she get her judgement so seriously wrong? If the latter, what do we pay these so-called experts for?

 

The thing is you don't know whats happened since they were released, perhaps Thompson found himself a good group of friends who have ensured he kept well away from any temptation to re-offend and Venebles got himself in with a bad crowd.

 

One of the ways rehabilitation fails is when it stops as soon as the criminal is released into societyt.

[Carlos]

Some detective who worked the original case was on R5 and reckoned that Thompson was the evil one, Venables was the lesser of the two.

[Pablo]

Some detective who worked the original case was on R5 and reckoned that Thompson was the evil one, Venables was the lesser of the two.

 

 

Venables said "I killed the baby", during the trial.

 

Venables took the lead, and was the one who led most of the Assault, the Sexual assault was Thompson.

 

Witness at the Canal said Venables told Thompson to "Get hold of his hand".

 

Venables is also diagnosed with 'Goffman Complex'

 

This is derived from Erving Goffman............. the best example i can give you is the comparison of lets say a child in the classroom, the teacher is conveying the subject, be it maths. english whatever, the child in the front row is nodding his head, displaying the bodies exterior to be listening and taking the subject in as to display a characteristic which is one that understands........ in laymans terms the boys head is always elsewhere but convinces its audience otherwise. A leading Psychologist from Oxford University was given the task of surveying both at the time and categorically stated in his report that Venables displayed contempt for the crime in a way he'd never seen in his 30 years of practice, evaluating that he was not only the domineering of the two but also the catalyst.

[Winchester White]

Venables said "I killed the baby", during the trial.

 

Venables took the lead, and was the one who led most of the Assault, the Sexual assault was Thompson.

 

Witness at the Canal said Venables told Thompson to "Get hold of his hand".

 

Venables is also diagnosed with 'Goffman Complex'

 

This is derived from Erving Goffman............. the best example i can give you is the comparison of lets say a child in the classroom, the teacher is conveying the subject, be it maths. english whatever, the child in the front row is nodding his head, displaying the bodies exterior to be listening and taking the subject in as to display a characteristic which is one that understands........ in laymans terms the boys head is always elsewhere but convinces its audience otherwise. A leading Psychologist from Oxford University was given the task of surveying both at the time and categorically stated in his report that Venables displayed contempt for the crime in a way he'd never seen in his 30 years of practice, evaluating that he was not only the domineering of the two but also the catalyst.

 

 

So to paraphrase that Pabbers, (in a Bricktop stylee) he's a horrible little cunt!

[Pablo]

So to paraphrase that Pabbers, (in a Bricktop stylee) he's a horrible little cunt!

 

 

Of the highest order, with all that info....why was he released, knowing this info about him.

 

And the thought of him at Goodison, possibly rubbing shoulders with Families, maybe even Bulgers family and friends, does worry me. I take my boy every home game now, god know who we could be sat next to, next game.

[BWFCOLINH58]

if his first names dave, and hes from fleetwood. that could be your man

[Smiffs]

Venables is also diagnosed with 'Goffman Complex'

 

This is derived from Erving Goffman......... in laymans terms the boys head is always elsewhere but convinces its audience otherwise.

 

I get that when Doris is warbling on about piss splash on the bathroom floor and mucky pots in the sink.

[JimmyRiddle]

Jesus it gets worse, I never realised there was any sexual element to the James Bulger murder!!! Not that it could get much worse but it somehow does now I know this?

[Winchester White]

Jesus it gets worse, I never realised there was any sexual element to the James Bulger murder!!! Not that it could get much worse but it somehow does now I know this?

 

I dont think a lot of what actually happened was disclosed at the time (but I am happy to be proved wrong about that) as I too didn't realise what had been done to the poor little kid until a few years later.

[Happy Wanderer]

if his first names dave, and hes from fleetwood. that could be your man

This appears to be a rumour doing the rounds which has almost ruined the guys life. Hes a married man with a young child living in Fleetwood. People need to be careful what they say about others without any actual evidence.

[Guest Frandsen08]

yeah i got that text today, but no way will i believe a text doing the rounds. a damning one which if it isn't true may ruin someones life.

 

and the text serves no purpose, if it is true what good will it do knowing his identity,what is someone going to kill him, thats not going to do any good to anybody.

[juewanderer]

Jesus it gets worse, I never realised there was any sexual element to the James Bulger murder!!! Not that it could get much worse but it somehow does now I know this?

This link explains it in more detail http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/bulger/5.html

[alibob]

yeah i got that text today, but no way will i believe a text doing the rounds. a damning one which if it isn't true may ruin someones life.

 

and the text serves no purpose, if it is true what good will it do knowing his identity,what is someone going to kill him, thats not going to do any good to anybody.

 

I have had that text twice today. Whilst it may be true, its worrying how easy it could be to ruin someones life by making up vicious rumours.

[Pablo]

Ive had the text twice, but the 2nd one talks about Irlam, were Venables he did spend time, its from this location were he was taken to Old trafford for days out.

 

These txts seem to becoming a mixture of poeple making stuff up, and parts of actuall true events.

 

Ive also heard from a very very good source, that with all the people saying they would do this and that to him,

well ive heard the quote "You would need a spartan army to take him down". The guy is huge, and that was when he was 17 !

Which does go some way of explaining his job as a bouncer for the last 3 years.