jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 todays game is to guess their combined weekly wage i'd go for 210k OK grumpy Let me rephrase that for those not able to read between the lines If it was affordable I'd take all of those players, as I think they'd all improve our squad I'd also take Messi, Ronaldo and Xavi Anyway, what's the combined weekly wage of Cahill, Elmander and the rest of those that have been released? Not ?210 I'm sure but it all helps
tylswhite Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 todays game is to guess their combined weekly wage i'd go for 210k Add that to the fact Klasnic would score more than Keane and Jenas is no better than Muamba and its getting rather pointless Hutton would be good but is it worth paying big ish wages for a full back? I think other positions are more premium/important.
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Jenas for Muamba? Always had him as a box to boxer, yet everyone on here appears to think that Muamba shouldn't cross the half way line
HomerJay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 i like muamba, but jenas is (was) on another level. certainly different type of player though.
tylswhite Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Jenas for Muamba? Always had him as a box to boxer, yet everyone on here appears to think that Muamba shouldn't cross the half way line Muamba maybe shouldnt cross the halfway line much but he does when playing for us. Having Jenas instead of him wouldnt make us any better imo whether they are different "types" or not. They both play centre midfield and would both be going for the same spot. Jenas will be on silly wages and wouldnt improve us at all so no thanks imo.
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Muamba maybe shouldnt cross the halfway line much but he does when playing for us. Having Jenas instead of him wouldnt make us any better imo whether they are different "types" or not. They both play centre midfield and would both be going for the same spot. Jenas will be on silly wages and wouldnt improve us at all so no thanks imo. Don't disagree with you; just quoting back what folk on here say Tell you what though, if we had Jenas hypothetically, don't you think a middle 3 of Muamba, Jenas and Holden (Mavies until October) would be pretty solid in a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3?
tylswhite Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Don't disagree with you; just quoting back what folk on here say Tell you what though, if we had Jenas hypothetically, don't you think a middle 3 of Muamba, Jenas and Holden (Mavies until October) would be pretty solid in a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3? I could deal with that I think that would be pretty decent for a club of our standing. I think the major sticking point is Jenas' wages will probably far outweigh his ability imo. If he took a massive wage drop then yes but i cant see that happening. I cant see Coyle switching the fomation either. I think it would be better in some games as many have suggested on here. I think we would progress further if we were more flexible with formation rather than same every game.
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 I could deal with that I think that would be pretty decent for a club of our standing. I think the major sticking point is Jenas' wages will probably far outweigh his ability imo. If he took a massive wage drop then yes but i cant see that happening. I cant see Coyle switching the fomation either. I think it would be better in some games as many have suggested on here. I think we would progress further if we were more flexible with formation rather than same every game. All of the players mentioned would need to take a drop to join us anyway surely Otherwise the whole thing becomes rather moot I do wonder with the formation We've seen OC being very rigid, but there's nothing to say he hasn't learnt from this season and/or may have only stuck to it based upon his view that it suits our personnel best rather than it is a rigid formation Like anything, it all depends on what his blueprint for the season is If he's going to stick at 4-4-2; where do we strengthen the midfield and with whom? I'd say LM is a priority....RM he's going to stick with chip shop, but another flying winger on the other side means the full backs get pressured all season again and the centre mids are stretched and will pick up injuries / look knackered just like this season......if so maybe we need Jenas / someone else to share the load...??
Didledee Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) After Bolton's pathetic end to last season and the way they just gave up at the beginning of April, it's left a bit of worry towards next season, add to the fact that our leading goalscorer Elmander has gone and our best defender Cahill looks like he's off. It's going to take a signing like a Thiago or some foreign flair kind of player to get me into this transfer rumour stuff, we need to improve CB'S, RB and Left wing and we also need a striker, Kevin Davies was average last season as was the majority of them at the end. Lower league players will not get me excited for next season, last season Petrov was an exciting signing, though he kinda flopped, the season before that it was Lee, we usually do sign a player to make you look forward to seeing. At the moment because it's still June I'm not worried like anewman etc because at this time of the year every 2 years there's a World Cup or a Euro Championship and players don't really sign deals during this time, give it a couple of weeks, get the team into training and then start to gel the team with the new signings[there has to be more than just a couple]whilst in Pre-season games. Sturridge back on loan, Thiago, I'd even be happy with SWP on the left and a CB like Johnson from Birmingham,also Kranjkar from Spurs. I know we have 2 creative players like M.Davies and Holden, but until Holden comes back, it's going to need some extra good players in that area because can we rely on just Muamba and M.Davies. This above is unrealistic, I just hope we don't just see signings that are boring English grafter types. Edited June 28, 2011 by Didledee
onlyoneawalker Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) No thanks to Keane and Jenas but I'd have Bassong, Kaboul or Hutton - was Hutton fit last year and juast kept out the side by Corluka? Pratleys signed so I really can't see Jenas being attractive bait - moving 5 premiership footballers in one transfer would be nigh on impossible surely - it's hard enough getting one in...I suspect Arry's given us his "you can take any from here" list - Kaboul; or Bassong plus ?12m would be very tidy business: Edited June 28, 2011 by onlyoneawalker
Guest Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 After Bolton's pathetic end to last season and the way they just gave up at the beginning of April, it's left a bit of worry towards next season, add to the fact that our leading goalscorer Elmander has gone and our best defender Cahill looks like he's off. It's going to take a signing like a Thiago or some foreign flair kind of player to get me into this transfer rumour stuff, we need to improve CB'S, RB and Left wing and we also need a striker, Kevin Davies was average last season as was the majority of them at the end. Lower league players will not get me excited for next season, last season Petrov was an exciting signing, though he kinda flopped, the season before that it was Lee, we usually do sign a player to make you look forward to seeing. At the moment because it's still June I'm not worried like anewman etc because at this time of the year every 2 years there's a World Cup or a Euro Championship and players don't really sign deals during this time, give it a couple of weeks, get the team into training and then start to gel the team with the new signings[there has to be more than just a couple]whilst in Pre-season games. Sturridge back on loan, Thiago, I'd even be happy with SWP on the left and a CB like Johnson from Birmingham,also Kranjkar from Spurs. I know we have 2 creative players like M.Davies and Holden, but until Holden comes back, it's going to need some extra good players in that area because can we rely on just Muamba and M.Davies. This above is unrealistic, I just hope we don't just see signings that are boring English grafter types. If we'd had a few of those at the end of last season we might not have been so shite for the last 10 games. A team of those types also stuffed us 5-0 at Wembley.
tylswhite Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 All of the players mentioned would need to take a drop to join us anyway surely Otherwise the whole thing becomes rather moot I do wonder with the formation We've seen OC being very rigid, but there's nothing to say he hasn't learnt from this season and/or may have only stuck to it based upon his view that it suits our personnel best rather than it is a rigid formation Like anything, it all depends on what his blueprint for the season is If he's going to stick at 4-4-2; where do we strengthen the midfield and with whom? I'd say LM is a priority....RM he's going to stick with chip shop, but another flying winger on the other side means the full backs get pressured all season again and the centre mids are stretched and will pick up injuries / look knackered just like this season......if so maybe we need Jenas / someone else to share the load...?? Very true as im guessing spuds pay top whack. They seem like one of them silly clubs who will pay whatever to average players. I think Left midfield/Wing does need improvement whatever formation we play. Taylor ended the season well but im not confident of relying on him all season. Petrov is a waste of time and i cant see that changing. The major dilemma we have is playing 4-4-2 with two wingers means you need two strong fullbacks which we dont have. Then theres the striker situation and Centre halves :: Lets just say OC has a lot of thinking/planning/work to do! If it was me i would plan the squad personnel around playing 4-4-2 and 4-5-1.
Didledee Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 It's a valid point, but those types imo are not exciting signings, we have the likes of Knight etc who don't have much on the floor football ability, I don't want to see more coming in who just resort to lumping it to Davies.
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 No thanks to Keane and Jenas but I'd have Bassong, Kaboul or Hutton - was Hutton fit last year and juast kept out the side by Corluka? Pratleys signed so I really can't see Jenas being attractive bait - moving 5 premiership footballers in one transfer would be nigh on impossible surely - it's hard enough getting one in...I suspect Arry's given us his "you can take any from here" list - Kaboul; or Bassong plus ?12m would be very tidy business: To be fair, I'd forgotten completely about Pratley I'm not overly confident about him, but given we have him (on Friday probably?) we have to assume he's good enough and therefore forget what I said about Jenas; both of them would surely be a waste of wages/resource
HomerJay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 If we'd had a few of those at the end of last season we might not have been so shite for the last 10 games. A team of those types also stuffed us 5-0 at Wembley. give me 100% grafter with limited ability over a petulant, fancy dan EVERY day of the week.
tylswhite Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 give me 100% grafter with limited ability over a petulant, fancy dan EVERY day of the week. Just like Taylor over Petrov imo Fancy dan's are ok if they can be arsed a la Jay Jay Okocha.
Didledee Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Well Homer we all know you used to wank over Megson and you love that whole get it in the box miss out the midfield altogether football Edited June 28, 2011 by Didledee
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 It's a valid point, but those types imo are not exciting signings, we have the likes of Knight etc who don't have much on the floor football ability, I don't want to see more coming in who just resort to lumping it to Davies. DD You're right we want players that can pass and retain the ball However, what you continually miss is that with your clamouring for a certain type of player (see your previous posts where you want a "winger" rather than a wide midfielder) is that unless we have pressing players all over the park, we concede ground / possession and are often forced into playing it long to "get out" It has to be balanced
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 give me 100% grafter with limited ability over a petulant, fancy dan EVERY day of the week. Lets get 11 robinsons hey? Then see where we end up
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 DD You're right we want players that can pass and retain the ball However, what you continually miss is that with your clamouring for a certain type of player (see your previous posts where you want a "winger" rather than a wide midfielder) is that unless we have pressing players all over the park, we concede ground / possession and are often forced into playing it long to "get out" It has to be balanced People who can keep hold of the ball is exactly the key - spot on in my opinion. Why id advocate looking abroad, a) cheaper, i think foreign players can keep hold of the ball better. We'll have fork out stupid money for bog standard english players.
onlyoneawalker Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 give me 100% grafter with limited ability over a petulant, fancy dan EVERY day of the week. Thats tant amount to Ginger Tyranny that Homer - surely we want some players that get you out your seat even if it's running for the exits in frustration sometimes?
HomerJay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Thats tant amount to Ginger Tyranny that Homer - surely we want some players that get you out your seat even if it's running for the exits in frustration sometimes? to be honest, i want someone inbetween. although workrate comes before flair in my book. Edited June 28, 2011 by HomerJay
Casino Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Lets get 11 robinsons hey? Then see where we end up higher than with 11 petrovs
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 higher than with 11 petrovs 19th as opposed to 20th?
Guest Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Its about balance. If we have Chungy on the right we need a bit more of a grafter on the left. Owen Coyle believes in high tempo pressing football. We're not going to achieve that with a load of foreign flair players. We'll need one or two, but the rest need to get through the graft and pressing. Could do with pace up front as well. Where we went wrong last season was that once Holden was injured, Muamba was fucked, trying to do the whole midfield job himself, then he got injured and we didn't have the grafters there to take over and do the work in midfield. Pratley is a step in the right direction for me.
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