Didledee Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 I know it's all about balance and I'm not labelling all English type players under the same tag. M.Davies isn't a 'grafter' get rid at all costs players, he's our little version of Iniesta[Not on the same level ], shows for the ball, plays the ball and can dribble past players. All I'm saying is when I see a new signing like an Okocha, Anelka, Lee etc etc it makes me want the season to come quicker even more, vice versa players like K.Davies and McCann[for example] don't give me this feeling, however as in K.Davies's case these labelled players can be very beneficial. I was looking forward to seeing Braaten and Wilhelmsson, both didn't work, nothing's a given. I've said before I'd go for 4-4-2 at home and against the big teams away 4-5-1. I also get the point about not having options so the 'lump' ball is used, but players like Knight piss you off when they do it when under no pressure at all, at times it's like he has his own challenge to see how high he can head a ball in the air and how far he can kick it. Players like Knight would be fucked if we didn't have a K.Davies type upfront. For me, Holden, Lee, M.Davies and Petrov are the only players who are capable of something different, Rodrigo may sign again, but we don't really have much else, need a quality playmaker, Holden can defend and attack, but who knows what his injury will do to him. Steinsson and Lee don't really have a good understanding imo, Petrov doesn't help out Robinson and imo if Taylor isn't on a set-piece he's very average. We played some unreal football last season, but if we start the season like we left off with also no Elmander and Cahill, we could be in for a long season.
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Its about balance. If we have Chungy on the right we need a bit more of a grafter on the left. Owen Coyle believes in high tempo pressing football. We're not going to achieve that with a load of foreign flair players. We'll need one or two, but the rest need to get through the graft and pressing. Could do with pace up front as well. Where we went wrong last season was that once Holden was injured, Muamba was fucked, trying to do the whole midfield job himself, then he got injured and we didn't have the grafters there to take over and do the work in midfield. Pratley is a step in the right direction for me. i agree - helps if the "grafters" are comfortable on the ball though
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Some good news at least - Stoke semm to be in for Jerome. Marvellous.
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 i agree - helps if the "grafters" are comfortable on the ball though Spot on but to have both may be out of our budget The everlasting problem I think we're all pretty much in agreement really
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 is that not better? Depends how you look at it, 18th to 20th all the same to me, shite end result that leads to the barnsley the following season
Zico Posted June 28, 2011 Author Posted June 28, 2011 todays game is to guess their combined weekly wage i'd go for 210k prob not far off, if not higher spurs fan in the office laughed at the names offered and bracketed them as "the players we're trying to desperately get off the wage bill"
Rembrandt Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 prob not far off, if not higher spurs fan in the office laughed at the names offered and bracketed them as "the players we're trying to desperately get off the wage bill" I think we'd all guessed that, Zico, without the input of the Spurs fans. It's a matter of whether or not any of them can do a job for us instead - at reasonable wages.
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 I think we'd all guessed that, Zico, without the input of the Spurs fans. It's a matter of whether or not any of them can do a job for us instead - at reasonable wages. Aye exactly And it's difficult to speculate who would come on reasonable wages and who wouldn't. Don't shoot me, but has anything happened with Craig Bellamy yet?
Rembrandt Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Its about balance. If we have Chungy on the right we need a bit more of a grafter on the left. Owen Coyle believes in high tempo pressing football. We're not going to achieve that with a load of foreign flair players. We'll need one or two, but the rest need to get through the graft and pressing. Could do with pace up front as well. Where we went wrong last season was that once Holden was injured, Muamba was fucked, trying to do the whole midfield job himself, then he got injured and we didn't have the grafters there to take over and do the work in midfield. Pratley is a step in the right direction for me. That's a bit of a sweeping statement. Barcelona have a load of foreign flair players and they work harder, and press more, than just about any other team. Maybe 'high-tempo' doesn't describe them though. Finding less expensive (less talented, but talented enough) foreign flair players who are also prepared to work as hard is a huge challenge. We can but hope.
HomerJay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Well Homer we all know you used to wank over Megson and you love that whole get it in the box miss out the midfield altogether football if we cant pass water, then why try? we create most of our chances off davies, that is a fact and it aint becuase davies can thread it though the eye of a needle. its because he's a big cunt up top. we are not barcelona or arsenal. we need to do what we are good at. im not a fan of booting it up, im a fan of winning football matches. if you want me go all champman on you, i prefer direct, rather than passing or long ball. Edited June 28, 2011 by HomerJay
superjohnmcginlay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Do you think the fixtures will have any bearing on his transfer strategy at all,
Didledee Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Did you see us at the beginning of the season Homer?, especially around November, our football was simply outstanding and it was winning football. The other half of the season was not so good apart from a few good performances at home, take away the F.A Cup run, take away Sturridge and it didn't leave much to get excited about next season. That last 6 weeks was dreadful, we were top 10 all season and ended up 14th with more losses than wins. The Arsenal win showed they can bounce back after a humiliation and show some heart, but to lose 5 straight after that was just such a let down on what was a decent season before April. It was kinda like the players were being selfish in not wanting to finish high or achieve anything because if that happened we'd probably have more funds and be more of an incentive for replacements, you can't blame them I guess for this though, afterall who want's to lose their place. The long ball to K.Davies didn't work that much, though it was this way that Lee scored the winner to win the Quarter final v Birmingham. If I knew now that K.Davies would have the season he had last season I'd be worried, he was average at best, scored a few, scored some penalties and laid off some nice balls especially for Elmander but that wasn't the Davies of old, I hope we don't need to rely on Klasnic getting late winners all time. Edited June 28, 2011 by Didledee
Big_Sharps Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 if we cant pass water, then why try? we create most of our chances off davies, that is a fact and it aint becuase davies can thread it though the eye of a needle. its because he's a big cunt up top. we are not barcelona or arsenal. we need to do what we are good at. im not a fan of booting it up, im a fan of winning football matches. if you want me go all champman on you, i prefer direct, rather than passing or long ball. What is it about Megson that does it for you?
onlyoneawalker Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 The entire premier league play high tempo pressing football with perhaps the exception of West Ham who did have too many no mark foreigners in the side and replaced them in Jan with over rated english types - our first 11 last season would match any team outside the top 5 with no worries at all, we fell away badly because we lost influential players for long periods of time and had stiffs coming in - this close seaosn is about getting some strength in depth challenging for the 1st team Pratley is ideal for me i think he's as good at what Muamba does but can also use the football and score goals next we need sturridge in or a replacement who can score goals we need a centre half or utility man who can play centre half or right back then chuck in a bit of flair with moreno signing on and maybe another spanish wonderkid - replacing Elmo is where I get a bit stuck to be honest not sure where we are going on that one
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 no youre right, i wish could play like blackpool. Why is that always the stock answer? I didn't think that anyone suggested we buy Blackpool players so what does that have to do with anything?
HomerJay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Why is that always the stock answer? I didn't think that anyone suggested we buy Blackpool players so what does that have to do with anything? because i was bored with the megson shite. i dont actually believe it, brum went down play 'bolton' football as ive already stated, i just want winning football, i do not give a shiny shit how that is achieved. Edited June 28, 2011 by HomerJay
Butterfly Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Why is that always the stock answer? I didn't think that anyone suggested we buy Blackpool players so what does that have to do with anything? Perhaps it was the way they carved Bolton's defence open at will and put 4 in the back of Jussi's net?
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 because i was bored with the megson shite. don't see what that has to do with anything either
jules_darby Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Perhaps it was the way they carved Bolton's defence open at will and put 4 in the back of Jussi's net? And that has what to do with our transfer targets?
DazBob Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 The entire premier league play high tempo pressing football with perhaps the exception of West Ham who did have too many no mark foreigners in the side and replaced them in Jan with over rated english types - our first 11 last season would match any team outside the top 5 with no worries at all, we fell away badly because we lost influential players for long periods of time and had stiffs coming in - this close seaosn is about getting some strength in depth challenging for the 1st team Pratley is ideal for me i think he's as good at what Muamba does but can also use the football and score goals next we need sturridge in or a replacement who can score goals we need a centre half or utility man who can play centre half or right back then chuck in a bit of flair with moreno signing on and maybe another spanish wonderkid - replacing Elmo is where I get a bit stuck to be honest not sure where we are going on that one Blimey! I'm out of breath after reading that. Not a single full stop!
HomerJay Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 anyway, stop arguing with me jules, i know you agree, you know you agree. just wont wont admit you agree.
Big_Sharps Posted June 28, 2011 Posted June 28, 2011 Blimey! I'm out of breath after reading that. Not a single full stop! Full stops are overrated, fucking smug bastards.
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