Klasnic

[burndenpaddock]

It was often more like 4-3-3 and he had players like diouf, stelios, Nolan etc scoring goals and playing off his strengths, ie flick ons, hold ups etc

 

The 5 playing around NGog have nowhere near the same amount of goals in them as the 5 that played around Davies during that successful time

 

Which is probably why we're struggling with NGog only having scored two

 

I know its a big if but IF you replaced Stelios, Diouf, Nolan etc with Chungy, Mavies & Holden, we will get the same result. We have missed those two so much and when we get them back, I think Ngog will get the support he needs to make an effective 4-5-1 team. The players he has at the moment just don't give him enough support.

[DazBob]

I know its a big if but IF you replaced Stelios, Diouf, Nolan etc with Chungy, Mavies & Holden, we will get the same result. We have missed those two so much and when we get them back, I think Ngog will get the support he needs to make an effective 4-5-1 team. The players he has at the moment just don't give him enough support.

 

'Tis true.

 

When our wide men are looking to get the ball into the box from open play, there's only ever one of our players in the box, Ngog.

 

You look at other teams and they have three or four in there.

 

Currently Ngog's got a bit of a thankless task. I think he's doing it well enough.

[HomerJay]

'Tis true.

 

When our wide men are looking to get the ball into the box from open play, there's only ever one of our players in the box, Ngog.

 

You look at other teams and they have three or four in there.

 

Currently Ngog's got a bit of a thankless task. I think he's doing it well enough.

 

do they?

 

pratleys role was to support ngog.

[DazBob]

You asking or disagreeing?

 

Are you party to Coyle's instructions to Pratley btw?

[HomerJay]

You asking or disagreeing?

 

Are you party to Coyle's instructions to Pratley btw?

 

i am asking if teams have 3 or 4 in the box from a cross. i dont think they do. apart from set pieces or maybe second balls.

 

i thought pratleys instructions where pretty obvious to all.

[birch-chorley]

'Tis true.

 

When our wide men are looking to get the ball into the box from open play, there's only ever one of our players in the box, Ngog.

 

You look at other teams and they have three or four in there.

 

Currently Ngog's got a bit of a thankless task. I think he's doing it well enough.

 

Correct and this is where is headless chicken routine comes in, Ngog does not know where to go, he doesnt have that strikers nack that Klasnic has.

 

The worst case of this came when Gretar had done all that hard work winning possesion back and working the ball wide right ready to get a cross in. Ngog hid behind the centre half instead of going for the near post.

 

I will be suprised if he gets 2 more goals this season.

[Casino]

you're the one who wanted ngog picking up 2 chelsea centre backs standing 70 yards apart so i'll ignore your ramblings if thats ok

[Zico]

I know its a big if but IF you replaced Stelios, Diouf, Nolan etc with Chungy, Mavies & Holden, we will get the same result. We have missed those two so much and when we get them back, I think Ngog will get the support he needs to make an effective 4-5-1 team. The players he has at the moment just don't give him enough support.

 

yep, not sure on the size of the if, but that's what I was getting at - the players we currently have playing behind NGog aren't as good as the ones we had playing behind Davies in our halcyon days

[hughmungus]

yep, not sure on the size of the if, but that's what I was getting at - the players we currently have playing behind NGog aren't as good as the ones we had playing behind Davies in our halcyon days

Absolutely spot on, could you see the likes of Okocha,Stelios etc running into blind alleys like this lot we have now. Its like watching dogs chase a car - when they get there they dont have a clue what to do next.

[birch-chorley]

you're the one who wanted ngog picking up 2 chelsea centre backs standing 70 yards apart so i'll ignore your ramblings if thats ok

 

dont let the truth get in the way of a good story

 

The game your on about is Chelsea at home when David Luiz ran riot. I didn't want Ngog to pick up both defenders, just the one who was running at us every 2 minutes.

 

No point sticking with the one doing fuck all, which is Ngog all over.

[Casino]

aye, thats the one

 

you wanted him to run over to luiz who would then have knocked it to cech and on to terry

 

who would have given it to cole

 

good plan

 

 

lets not point any fingers at the who left side of the team who let him walk the lengrh of the pitch, eh?

[birch-chorley]

aye, thats the one

 

you wanted him to run over to luiz who would then have knocked it to cech and on to terry

 

who would have given it to cole

 

good plan

 

 

lets not point any fingers at the who left side of the team who let him walk the lengrh of the pitch, eh?

 

Would he?

 

I guess we will never know as he didnt run over to him all game and Luiz took the piss. I suppose you are right though, I would have preffered him to run over and it go back to Cech etc than him not run over and Luiz run the ball 50 yards.

 

For me our wide men that day SKD / Petrov had a job on with the full backs Cole / Boswinga. Ngog had 2 CB to choose from and he stuck with the less mobile Terry who did fuck all.

 

All this is getting away from the fact that even if he got near a defender he would try his best to avoid putting a challange in anyway.

[Casino]

so you reckon ngog stayed on terrys side because coyle told him to do whatever he wanted?

[birch-chorley]

no because off the ball he just aint that clever

[tylswhite]

dont let the truth get in the way of a good story

 

The game your on about is Chelsea at home when David Luiz ran riot. I didn't want Ngog to pick up both defenders, just the one who was running at us every 2 minutes.

 

No point sticking with the one doing fuck all, which is Ngog all over.

 

Are you honestly being serious or are you taking the piss here?

[derek smalls]

but surely..if ngog had excellent ability to read the game, was good in his positional play and could score he would actually be didier drogba and not david ngog

[SnoopJohnnyJohn]

Would he?

 

I guess we will never know as he didnt run over to him all game and Luiz took the piss. I suppose you are right though, I would have preffered him to run over and it go back to Cech etc than him not run over and Luiz run the ball 50 yards.

 

For me our wide men that day SKD / Petrov had a job on with the full backs Cole / Boswinga. Ngog had 2 CB to choose from and he stuck with the less mobile Terry who did fuck all.

 

All this is getting away from the fact that even if he got near a defender he would try his best to avoid putting a challange in anyway.

 

How's this for a masterplan?

 

Ngog stays with Terry. Luiz does his running all over the pitch sh*t, but like usual he loses the ball to one of our midfielders and now Ngog is one-on-one with Terry.

or

Ngog chases the ball all over the Chelsea backline. Luiz passes the ball short to Terry, who passes it to Cole, who passes it to Lampard, who is less likely to lose possession that Sideshow Bob was.

 

Admittedly it didn't work, because we got pasted in that game, but I can see the logic. But, to be fair, there are 9 more outfield players behind Ngog who could/should cover the remaining 50 yards of his run.

[DazBob]

Lowest point of the season for me that. Time and again Luiz ran unchallenged from his own area into our half. No-one wanted to accept responsibility, no-one acted like a leader. Just lots of shrugging and pointing. It was the sort of stuff that you wouldn't even see at a primary school match.

[HomerJay]

Lowest point of the season for me that. Time and again Luiz ran unchallenged from his own area into our half. No-one wanted to accept responsibility, no-one acted like a leader. Just lots of shrugging and pointing. It was the sort of stuff that you wouldn't even see at a primary school match.

 

and the manager didnt seem to notice that it was happening and act accordingly. pathetic

[DazBob]

Absolutely. It's rare football actually gets me angry, but what I was seeing really got to me. I'm thinking, after the third went in, someone needs to get all the players into a huddle and sort this out. Balls to the ref if he tries to break them up to kick-off, this needs sorting now. Nothing though. Not a single sign that the fools on the bench could see what we could all see. None of the players being 'man enough' to try and sort it out either.

[birch-chorley]

but surely..if ngog had excellent ability to read the game, was good in his positional play and could score he would actually be didier drogba and not david ngog

 

For me Klasnic has all 3 of these, Ngog doesnt.

 

I am not saying Klasnic is Didier Drogba but IMO he certainly ticks more boxes as a lone striker than Ngog does.

 

If we are to stay up then we need to beat teams / score goals. If we play Petrov left, RYO right and Mavies in behind then we should create plenty of chances and my money would be on Klasnic to score the goals over Ngog.

 

He should at the very least see more action than he has done recently, being our top scorer on 8 prem goals after all.

[Zico]

 

 

For me Klasnic has all 3 of these, Ngog doesnt.

 

I am not saying Klasnic is Didier Drogba but IMO he certainly ticks more boxes as a lone striker than Ngog does.

 

If we are to stay up then we need to beat teams / score goals. If we play Petrov left, RYO right and Mavies in behind then we should create plenty of chances and my money would be on Klasnic to score the goals over Ngog.

 

He should at the very least see more action than he has done recently, being our top scorer on 8 prem goals after all.

 

As spurs will no doubt put out a full team on sat I'd be quite happy for us to give that a go on satdee

[Casino]

you got a bet on bolton losing by 4 or more?

[Zico]

you got a bet on bolton losing by 4 or more?

 

thought you weren't arsed?

[Casino]

i'm not

 

i was just enquiring why you thought klasnic up top was a plan