Bolton 1 Ipswich 2

[Guest bwfcdan]

 

 

M.Davies vanishes for 70% of every game.

 

Diddles wouldn't know this though

Edited December 1, 2012 by bwfcdan

[jayjay]

Did you go to the match today? How the fuck can u single Kevin Davies out as shite? He may be past his best but this is still better than N'Gog will ever be. I am sick of smug 'superior' folk on here telling me N'Gog is the answer and it's just the way we play, we don't use him right, he will tear up this division etc etc. A 30min cameo is not enough. He is not a striker and never will be, he has no killer instinct, no anticipation, utter shite. Coyle wasted £8 million on him and Sordell and Afobe has shown nothing so where are our striking options?

 

When Davies went off we won nothing in the air and looked less likely to score IMHO. That's not rose tinted glasses.Three proper chances, maybe but you want us to pin our hopes on N'Gog? (I remember one chance when he tried to take another touch-again! And a lot of falling on his arse, but hey lets bash KD coz he is 'shite') We lost that game because of our strikers, agreed but there are three others at the club besides KD and they are the ones that are utter shite.

So he didnt miss three great chances to kill the game? People like you will say Nogog you should have been on the en of that, oh fuck ur on the right wing. We will SKD off cos its SKD. Weve created more chances and had more shots than any other team team. Thought he played well on wednesday missed sitters today. But 90% of this season son hes been cack.

[jayjay]

Yes and 2 others as Agreed.At least he was in the right place to test the keeper.What did N'gog do? Did he ever look like scoring? He was put through and a proper striker would at least have got a shot off but no he tried to take an extra touch and the chance was gone. My point is that N'gog was terrible today, he was on his arse half the game, nothing stuck to him, he contibuted nothing. Davies put a shift in and did a lot of good stuff but that

Gets ignored by the usual suspects on here. By all means lets move away from Davies, but to what with current options?

Ngog wasnt up top. skd was our striker. that wasnt 442. give the the guy the same pitch time UP FRONT as SKD.

[jayjay]

Were you saying that after Weds night? Bigger problems with that team today than KD.

 

Goalkeeper, defence, midfield and other striking options spring to mind but fuck it let's drop Davies now. The lionhearted goal machine N'gog will lead the line , terrify the opposition and up the league we will go.

 

Just to be clear, I do think KD is on the way out but until we have better options I am not going to slag him off when there are plenty more deserving at the moment 1 game and eveyones bumming SKD again. Fookin frightening.

[snowball]

 

No matter what system we play, N'gog will not score goals that's my honest opinion and I will be glad to be proved wong but is based on watching him so far. How many games has he played and how many has he scored/assisted? What was his strike rate at Liverpool? They play the wrong formation as well?

 

I try and go off what I see each game. KD has had some awful games but I think he play's played well the last two.

 

Ps how old are you?

[Rembrandt]

SKD gets his head to the ball these days mostly by barging defenders out of the way - which some refs penalise. He's slow and too frequently not good at keeping possession. When he's in the team, we play too much lump-it football. Sadly he's got little competition from the other 'strikers' we've got - though giving them more games in their correct position might help a bit.

He should never have been made team captain - he has no real influence on the field. Having said that, there's no other likely candidate because just about all of Coyle's squad are players who play their own game, don't seem to talk to each other and don't really want to work hard for the team. There seems to be no organising voice or committed-to-the-cause player.

SKD is going on 36. He cannot be fhe future we need to build.

That's my view, for what it's worth.

 

Today I thought Alonso caught the eye with his surges forward, but I'd rather have a full-back. Sorry. But not one like Mears.

 

Mark Davies seemed too deep and seemed to have little influence on the game. He'd go deep, collect the ball, then return it to a defender. His best position seems to be further forward prompting things in the opposition half, but there was too little of that.

 

All in all, it's a squad that looks decent on paper but cannot seem to provide a half-decent team on the pitch.

 

Granted, DF's experiments didn't help much today. But that team should have been plenty good enough to see off a very poor Ipswich side. They just couldn't be arsed.

BSA used to change the team around, and they sometimes gave a poor performance. But rarely twice in a short period - until the last 4 months of his reign. This lot have been poor for 18 months with rare exceptions. The only common factor are the players.

[jayjay]

No matter what system we play, N'gog will not score goals that's my honest opinion and I will be glad to be proved wong but is based on watching him so far. How many games has he played and how many has he scored/assisted? What was his strike rate at Liverpool? They play the wrong formation as well?

 

I try and go off what I see each game. KD has had some awful games but I think he play's played well the last two.

 

Ps how old are you?

I dont think Ngog will answer our striking problems. But I know SKD never was and never is. with a five man midfield the positon is vital.

[Casino]

SKD gets his head to the ball these days mostly by barging defenders out of the way - which some refs penalise. He's slow and too frequently not good at keeping possession. When he's in the team, we play too much lump-it football. Sadly he's got little competition from the other 'strikers' we've got - though giving them more games in their correct position might help a bit.

He should never have been made team captain - he has no real influence on the field. Having said that, there's no other likely candidate because just about all of Coyle's squad are players who play their own game, don't seem to talk to each other and don't really want to work hard for the team. There seems to be no organising voice or committed-to-the-cause player.

SKD is going on 36. He cannot be fhe future we need to build.

That's my view, for what it's worth.

 

Today I thought Alonso caught the eye with his surges forward, but I'd rather have a full-back. Sorry. But not one like Mears.

 

Mark Davies seemed too deep and seemed to have little influence on the game. He'd go deep, collect the ball, then return it to a defender. His best position seems to be further forward prompting things in the opposition half, but there was too little of that.

 

All in all, it's a squad that looks decent on paper but cannot seem to provide a half-decent team on the pitch.

 

Granted, DF's experiments didn't help much today. But that team should have been plenty good enough to see off a very poor Ipswich side. They just couldn't be arsed.

BSA used to change the team around, and they sometimes gave a poor performance. But rarely twice in a short period - until the last 4 months of his reign. This lot have been poor for 18 months with rare exceptions. The only common factor are the players.

 

i'll give you all that cept the fact freedman has been in situ 6 weeks

 

its gonna get messy

[Traf]

M.Davies scores amazing goals.

 

Was today's not a deflection that looped into the air?

It looked that way.

[snowball]

Kevin Davies 'never was and never is'? Or David N'gog never was or never will be?

 

That's me done defending KD for now. Let's hope DF is busy in January he's going to need to be.

[jules_darby]

I'm not gonna get into the NGog / SKD debate as I thought both were poor today

 

Disagree with the Alonso fans on here too. I thought he was dreadful today

 

However, I think that's the best I've seen Mears play. He did alright for me

 

Attitude seemed an issue today; Eagles is certainly our best threat today but he nearly cost us 2 goals; 1 not tracking and letting their man simply jog by him and the other by jumping away from that short free kick. I think some of the players had a big time attitude and felt that after midweek thy just had to turn up today

 

That was alreet 1st half as we should've got 3, but we tipped working off the ball and were relying on individual quality alone; that won't win you many Championship matches

 

The good news is I reckon DF knows this and wont be happy...under OC you'd just get the hard luck story whereas I reckon the players will get a new arsehole ripped

 

And that's a good thing

 

[John Thomas]

M.Davies vanishes for 70% of every game.

 

Agreed but facts like these might upset a few. When i found out he was suspended for Blackburn , i thought actually we'll be a better team and was proved right, best Bolton performance since Sam's era. Its never a loss when he doesn't play. Now him and Bogdan have longer contracts. Oh dear.

[Mona]

I'm not gonna get into the NGog / SKD debate as I thought both were poor today

 

Disagree with the Alonso fans on here too. I thought he was dreadful today

 

However, I think that's the best I've seen Mears play. He did alright for me

 

Attitude seemed an issue today; Eagles is certainly our best threat today but he nearly cost us 2 goals; 1 not tracking and letting their man simply jog by him and the other by jumping away from that short free kick. I think some of the players had a big time attitude and felt that after midweek thy just had to turn up today

 

That was alreet 1st half as we should've got 3, but we tipped working off the ball and were relying on individual quality alone; that won't win you many Championship matches

 

The good news is I reckon DF knows this and wont be happy...under OC you'd just get the hard luck story whereas I reckon the players will get a new arsehole ripped

 

And that's a good thing

 

 

Muppets, Ngog works his backside off, but is not a natural goal scorer ,but just like Elmanda who also worked hard but was a poor goal scorer, you lot are killing him

 

Villa have got a poor b****d , who doesn't work his arse off but scores goals, and can't get a game

So tell me want do you want, a striker who works his butt off, or a striker who's a goal hangs for 85 mins off the game and puts 10 goals in the net in a season

But disappears when you are 2-0 down ?

Lets be realistic, putting 11 men behind the ball is frustrating, Ngog is not a natural goal getter, SKD is the best back to goal player in the div, but we haven' t got a visual, aware player to utilise his efforts.

 

We cocked up years go, Kevin Phillips, robbie Keane are/were the perfect foils for SKD

Get off SKD's back , it will be his last year, and it's not till he has gone, that you lot will realise what we had !!!!

 

[Mounts Kipper]

On reflection I am pinning the blame for yesterday's defeat firmly on Freemans shoulders, does he think by changing formation and rotating loads of players will get us going in the right direction ? It's been very evident for a very long time that this set of players are better with a 4-5-1 so its time he picked his best players with that formation in mind, continuing with his crazy current policy will inevitably lead to a very short tenure in charge of the club.

[roybarker]

some good points from mounts and mona-I dont doubt ngogs work rate or commitment its just that the ball doesnt stick when played to him and where has is pace gone he couldnt outrun 2 donkeys yesterday (apart from once)

[Ratwhite]

I will shoulder part of the blame as selfishly I went out for wife's Birthday (also missed Palace defeat)

 

I promise to attend all other homes games.

 

#shittyfan (though elbow were v good indeed)

[jules_darby]

 

 

 

Muppets, Ngog works his backside off, but is not a natural goal scorer ,but just like Elmanda who also worked hard but was a poor goal scorer, you lot are killing him

 

Villa have got a poor b****d , who doesn't work his arse off but scores goals, and can't get a game

So tell me want do you want, a striker who works his butt off, or a striker who's a goal hangs for 85 mins off the game and puts 10 goals in the net in a season

But disappears when you are 2-0 down ?

Lets be realistic, putting 11 men behind the ball is frustrating, Ngog is not a natural goal getter, SKD is the best back to goal player in the div, but we haven' t got a visual, aware player to utilise his efforts.

 

We cocked up years go, Kevin Phillips, robbie Keane are/were the perfect foils for SKD

Get off SKD's back , it will be his last year, and it's not till he has gone, that you lot will realise what we had !!!!

I think you should go back to washing Homo's y fronts

[Mounts Kipper]

Also think we need a new spine to the team, at least 1 more centre half had enough of Knight everyone saying he's our best defender the fact is he's a constant in a defence that can't defend he does not organise talk or lead get shut and bring in natural leader to pair with wheatear when he's back and lets find a Senegalese defensive midfielder with tribal markings who will scare the shit out of people.

[Ani]

Bogs an

 

 

Ricketts mills knight warnock

 

Spearing Andrews

 

Clingy Mavis eagles

 

Davies

 

It really is that easy

 

We have not had a settled team since got injured we will never have swimming run till we do. If df is going to tinker we will go nowhere

 

I am still pissed off about yesterday's performance. I am going to get to Huddersfield early enough for the result not to matter.

[Eddie]

I've not read all the thread so a lot of this might have already been said.

 

Why the fuck was the formation changed from Wednesday night? Blackburn was the best we had played all season and the team looked completely balanced, so why then try and be clever and change things?

 

If Butterfield wasn't fit enough to play 2 games in such a short space of time then fine, replace him with M.Davies and keep the system the same.

 

I'm also not having it that 442 makes us more attacking, which is another reason I could see for the change with us being at home. Those 2 up front will not create us chances, they are not forwards that will link up well and tear defences to shreds. The most attacking and creative part of out team is the wingers/attacking midfielders, therefore by taking one of those out and replacing him with a striker actually made us less of a threat.

 

Ipswich were that bad that the players looked like they just believed that it was a formality that we would win that game. There was no urgency, no passion and no doubt in the players minds that however much effort they put in we would still win the game.

 

There's not many of the players that I would slate after that game because I was just as equally pleased with them when they played in a system that suited us on Wednesday. I would however say that Warnock is a much needed purchase, or at least an extension of his loan deal in January because Alonso is fucking dogshit. He was the weak link in the team yesterday and McCarthy soon worked that out, his substitutions were all brought on to attack down the right and play off Alonso, they may as well not have had a left winger because there was only one flank that they were attacking down in the 2nd half.

 

I realise that its still early for Freedman, and to an extent he will still be working things out for the team. I do however find it hard to believe that he couldn't see how well the formation suited us on Wednesday and I can't get my head around the reasons for the changes to that for yesterday.

 

I'm still looking forward to Huddersfield because I honestly believe we can win any game in this league, we just need to be set up correctly.

[Zico]

Bogs an

 

 

Ricketts mills knight warnock

 

Spearing Andrews

 

Clingy Mavis eagles

 

Davies

 

It really is that easy

 

We have not had a settled team since got injured we will never have swimming run till we do. If df is going to tinker we will go nowhere

 

I am still pissed off about yesterday's performance. I am going to get to Huddersfield early enough for the result not to matter.

 

I'd go with that formation - if he wants to change players within it, fair enough

 

yesterday - had to bring Alonso in for Warnock and get why Davies came back in for Butterfield

 

no need to drop Lee though and try to play 2 up top

 

tinkering is fair enough as you get to know your team, but when you get it right, as we seemingly did at Blackburn, then stick with it OR he's nailed it away, so now wants to get it right at home - had we capitaised on our first half dominance, it would be a different story

 

thing is, if you are tinkering, Spearing wouldn't play the next game after the shocker he had yesterday, which means Pratley gets a game next, which would be worse - though form doesn't seem to be taken into account with who gets dropped, so we may be ok

[Carlos]

I think he's preparing for a mass clearance, people have played and been shit so can't complain.

[Sweep]

I think he's preparing for a mass clearance, people have played and been shit so can't complain.

 

I agree, I reckon there will be big changes in January. I'm not sure no much cash hell have to spend though

[Eddie]

I'd go with that formation - if he wants to change players within it, fair enough

 

yesterday - had to bring Alonso in for Warnock and get why Davies came back in for Butterfield

 

no need to drop Lee though and try to play 2 up top

 

tinkering is fair enough as you get to know your team, but when you get it right, as we seemingly did at Blackburn, then stick with it OR he's nailed it away, so now wants to get it right at home - had we capitaised on our first half dominance, it would be a different story

 

thing is, if you are tinkering, Spearing wouldn't play the next game after the shocker he had yesterday, which means Pratley gets a game next, which would be worse - though form doesn't seem to be taken into account with who gets dropped, so we may be ok

 

Exactly where I'm at Zico. He found a system that suits us best, if you want to tinker then change the players within those positions, just fuck off 442 please.

[Zico]

I think he's preparing for a mass clearance, people have played and been shit so can't complain.

 

thing is though, he dropped Lee and Butterfield yesterday, neither were shit previously

 

Mills not done much wrong either

 

as said, it doesn't appear to be a form thing in deciding who plays next