Moderators Casino Posted September 6, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 6, 2013 not seen it discussed on here and undies will stink of piss by the time its done... normally im up for owt that should benefit the north, but fcuking hell, its a lot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 not seen it discussed on here and undies will stink of piss by the time its done... normally im up for owt that should benefit the north, but fcuking hell, its a lot of money Stupid waste of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Can we leave the sweet green at 14.15 and make London kick offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Can we leave the sweet green at 14.15 and make London kick offs? No because it will still take the best part of an hour to go 12 miles. The rest of the way will take next to fuck all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Considering construction will probably cost twice what it is currently estimated at and the benefits will be have half of what is projected then it has to be a bloody big no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 6, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) dunno how many on here are in construction i'm on the edge of it... be interested to hear what the wiggin builder thinks as i'm sure there will be stats that show it will create loads of jobs and wont actually cost owt i'm guessing he'd prefer a similar amount on housing Edited September 6, 2013 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Luddites the lot of you If Japan etc can get it right then why can't we? I do appreciate that we will probably fuck it up, it will be late and overpriced but the intentions are right. We need to get better at our delivery of large scale capital projects, much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 What about that tube train they're planning in California? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Luddites the lot of you If Japan etc can get it right then why can't we? I do appreciate that we will probably fuck it up, it will be late and overpriced but the intentions are right. We need to get better at our delivery of large scale capital projects, much better. Without having a deep knowledge of it, THIS. Munich was the lightbulb moment for me. Fretting because our subway trains arrive at the same time back to the airport and was worried one might be late. It was like fucking clockwork! We are light years behind with a delay being classed as anything over 10 bastard minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 6, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted September 6, 2013 my question isnt about it going over budget, though im willing to accept it come in on budget on time even then, is it the best use of all those pennies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Girl Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 dunno how many on here are in construction i'm on the edge of it... be interested to hear what the wiggin builder thinks as i'm sure there will be stats that show it will create loads of jobs and wont actually cost owt Poland will rejoice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wovlad Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 The worry for me is the regional railways are so dire why invest so much in improving national rail. In the last 6 years fares have doubled yet the service has not improved. Its worse, fewer trains, fewer staff & older carriages all the profits gone to the to directors & shareholders. The subsidy 5 times more than it cost when it was nationalised. I, m all for improving public transport but I, d like to be able to get on a train to mcr on a daily basis to work rather one to London a few times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) The worry for me is the regional railways are so dire why invest so much in improving national rail. In the last 6 years fares have doubled yet the service has not improved. Its worse, fewer trains, fewer staff & older carriages all the profits gone to the to directors & shareholders. The subsidy 5 times more than it cost when it was nationalised. I, m all for improving public transport but I, d like to be able to get on a train to mcr on a daily basis to work rather one to London a few times a year.A lot of good points but aren't our lines due to go electric in the next 5 years? Edited September 6, 2013 by tomski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) The money for improving the north west rail hub has nigh on already been secured and is currently being spent, connecting manc Victoria and Piccadilly, improving Victoria station, electrification of the lines etc etc. http://www.tfgm.com/trains/Pages/northern-hub.aspx The hs2 will supposedly free up rail space for local services. I'm all for it, even though I'm no longer in the engineering game. Edited September 7, 2013 by frank_spencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 One of my fav ELO tunes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 waist of money who wants to go to that there london anyway and if you do whats roung with a space hopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Girl Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The point of HS2 isn't to enable you lot to get to London, but is to increase the number of international flights into Manchester & Birmingham, so people can then get on a fast train into London, thereby decreasing the number of flights into Heathrow and making things quieter for the people in the Tory constituencies under the flightpath (Richmond, Wimbledon, Fulham, Putney etc.). However, as anyone who knows business people will know, they will not fly into Birmingham or Manchester, they want to be in London so fly into London. Ffs, they won't even fly into Gatwick instead of Heathrow. It's a waste of money, and pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 7, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted September 7, 2013 The point of HS2 isn't to enable you lot to get to London, but is to increase the number of international flights into Manchester & Birmingham, so people can then get on a fast train into London, thereby decreasing the number of flights into Heathrow and making things quieter for the people in the Tory constituencies under the flightpath (Richmond, Wimbledon, Fulham, Putney etc.). However, as anyone who knows business people will know, they will not fly into Birmingham or Manchester, they want to be in London so fly into London. Ffs, they won't even fly into Gatwick instead of Heathrow. It's a waste of money, and pointless. i'm convinced i'm voting for you in the next election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 With regard to business, the argument was that too much time is wasted in slower trains. That used to be the case but business people can now with on the train so it isn't as much of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Its quite suprising that the route of HS2 make a big diversion round the chancellors tory constituency. I wonder who arranged that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Its quite suprising that the route of HS2 make a big diversion round the chancellors tory constituency. I wonder who arranged that? The clue is in the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgoefc Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I am for it. There needs to be more spent on larger capital projects. Better spent here rather than giving it away to yet other stone age countries who hate us anyway. However by the time it is built in 20 -30 years time there is a danger that the advance of IT technologies will have made face to face meetings redundant. Local transport links need improvement. oh if we had only been clever enough to have not built on all those connecting railway routes that linked all the North west towns that beeching ripped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 not seen it discussed on here and undies will stink of piss by the time its done... normally im up for owt that should benefit the north, but fcuking hell, its a lot of money Will it stop at Leigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) if Scotland had a comparable economy to England I could see the point, reducing 5 hour journeys to say 2. But they dont. As it stands reducing a 2 hour journey time (from Mcr) by 40 mins is nowt. But they say this is a capacity issue too. WCML will be full by mid 2020's. Build a new freight rail line then Edited September 7, 2013 by jayjayoghani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Will it stop at Leigh? The line proposed passes through Lowton, but I think that is just on the route from the engine sheds (in Wigan!) to Manc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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