Prediction time

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This thread worries me.

 

I can't believe we have so many mongtards following our club.

 

"He's been here 12 months and we're not back in the Premier League yet, fire him."

 

Laughable. Utterly laughable. But then I guess there's no reasoning with stupidity.

Edited October 21, 201312 yr by SnoopJohnnyJohn

No-one has answered my question about the missing midfield yet.

 

Where was it?

 

Why do our defenders get the ball, look up and conclude that the only option available is a 40 yard hoof to Eagles/Beckford?

 

I'm honestly mystified by that.

 

 

It's in the plan

no, i agree

 

but even if we get relegated we have to keep him

 

we have to give him the time to build his own team

 

he can't fully do that until he gets rid of the high earners, its not as if he hasn't tried to get rid of them

 

12 months isn't long enough to completely change a squad/team around, the evidence is there to prove it.

 

If we sack dougie and bring someone else he, we then have a manager who will want rid of coyles and dougies players. he then gets 12 months before he's out?

 

we have to hit the very bottom until we can go forward again imo.

Totally agree with you Garrp

This thread worries me.

 

I can't believe we have so many mongtards following our club.

 

"He's been here 12 months and we're not back in the Premier League yet, fire him."

 

Laughable. Utterly laughable. But then I guess there's no reasoning with stupidity.

Who's said that? You're just making stuff up now.

It was obvious that the progress comment was about this season's results & going from 3 points from the first 8 games, to 6 points from the last 4 games.

 

But if you want to talk about last season.......Freedman inherited a team that was heading for a 2nd consecutive relegation & took them up to within a whisker of the play offs. Unfortunately, Freedman's remarkable achievement of lifting Coyle's unfit, uncommitted, shower of shite up the table, raised some peoples' expectations to unrealistic levels for when the current turnaround of players & difficult job of rebuilding had to take place.

 

As others have said, to repair the damage that Coyle did, it was always likely that things could get worse before they get better.

 

We had 11 points from the first 10 games last season. We had 5 points from 10 games at the start of the season. If that isn't going backwards i don't know what is. However you raise an interesting point. It was largely Coyle's team that finished 7th last season...

It's not what i've seen, its what everyone else has seen.

 

He turned Palace from relegation certainties to a promotion winning side (Yes, it was Holloway that took them up, but it was Dougies team)

 

Just look how much he spent and what that squad was worth when he left, its pretty remarkable.

 

He didn't do it in under 12 months. He did it in just under 2 years as manager (plus 1 year as assistant and 4 as reserve manager)

 

Seeing as though this was the reason behind the appointment (im guessing gartside didn't really use a bingo machine) surely its only fair to give him at least the same amount of time?

 

I don't see any point in getting rid

 

but the counter arguement there is that if DF did so well with relegation certainties, he was expected to do even better with promotion favourites, not to replicate the task he did at palace by getting rid of better players and starting again from scratch

 

and as COYW, he did it last season with "Coyle's team", and this season he's doing worse with "his own"

 

so for me, I don't think he's doing a good job, isn't the messiah many thought, but agree there's no point in chopping and changing every 12 months, so we may as well just stick with him and see where it takes us, I doubt we have much choice

 

also not having it that he got palace promoted, as said before, he had them in a play off spot 12 months previously in October and led them to 17th - so whatever way you look at it, he just took them on a couple of good runs, which he's done with us as well

 

here's hoping

 

but I'm not too hopeful

We had 11 points from the first 10 games last season. We had 5 points from 10 games at the start of the season. If that isn't going backwards i don't know what is. However you raise an interesting point. It was largely Coyle's team that finished 7th last season...

Going backwards is throwing away over 10 years of progress, costing us our premier league place & setting us off to go straight down through the championship to the 1st division........which is what Coyle did.

 

Freedman saved us from another relegation & is now trying to repair the damage that Coyle did.

This thread worries me.

 

I can't believe we have so many mongtards following our club.

 

"He's been here 12 months and we're not back in the Premier League yet, fire him."

 

Laughable. Utterly laughable. But then I guess there's no reasoning with stupidity.

insert banging head smiley

We had 11 points from the first 10 games last season.

 

with the team coyle said he would've wanted if we had stayed up

 

see, you're fcuking yourself right up, here

 

if you'd concentrate on freedman, you might talk one or two around

 

keep comparing him with coyle and i'll just have you down as a crank

oh aye, ream and mills were nowhere near the team pre seaon

 

now theyre first picks - did they get the message and buy in?

 

imagine if knight and ngog get the message

 

 

on the subject of centre backs - fcuk knows what the craic is with wheater...i'll concede he may have got that one wrong

This thread worries me.

 

I can't believe we have so many mongtards following our club.

 

"He's been here 12 months and we're not back in the Premier League yet, fire him."

 

Laughable. Utterly laughable. But then I guess there's no reasoning with stupidity.

You can't pick up on the atmosphere and shiftiness across the pond my friend. There is no team spirit, no confidence, no togetherness, no clue and that is all down to the manager. Well above him too for false promises

There seemed to be plenty of togetherness and team spirit at Blackpool and brum.

 

It does my head that if you don't want freedman to go,you're a happy clapper and think Dougie is the messiah.

 

We all know what a shit situation we are in,we all know we are languishing at the wrong end of the championship after a god awful few years.

 

We all know our home form is a major concern,but as casino says bogdan doesn't let that clanger in baptise doesn't rocket one in his own net and we have two home wins on the bounce.

 

Just the way the cookie crumbles so to speak.

 

But now is the time to keep cool,batten down the hatches and get through it.

 

If we panic and sack freedman,spending even more money it could fuck us up big style,no manager worth his salt would touch us with a barge pole.

 

All this best squad on paper nonsense is exactly that...fucking nonsense.

 

Nobody is exactly beating the door down to sign any of them are they.

 

Everybody sit tight.

There seemed to be plenty of togetherness and team spirit at Blackpool and brum.

It does my head that if you don't want freedman to go,you're a happy clapper and think Dougie is the messiah.

We all know what a shit situation we are in,we all know we are languishing at the wrong end of the championship after a god awful few years.

We all know our home form is a major concern,but as casino says bogdan doesn't let that clanger in baptise doesn't rocket one in his own net and we have two home wins on the bounce.

Just the way the cookie crumbles so to speak.

But now is the time to keep cool,batten down the hatches and get through it.

If we panic and sack freedman,spending even more money it could fuck us up big style,no manager worth his salt would touch us with a barge pole.

All this best squad on paper nonsense is exactly that...fucking nonsense.

Nobody is exactly beating the door down to sign any of them are they.

Everybody sit tight.

 

Where do you draw the line though?

 

After 18 points from 25 games??

 

Clueless coyle should of gone after losing 19 out of 23 but he was kept for a lot longer after that and look at that mess, this problem is not reversible, we need a no nonsense manager to sort the cunts out, I'd say pulis

There seemed to be plenty of togetherness and team spirit at Blackpool and brum.

 

It does my head that if you don't want freedman to go,you're a happy clapper and think Dougie is the messiah.

 

We all know what a shit situation we are in,we all know we are languishing at the wrong end of the championship after a god awful few years.

 

We all know our home form is a major concern,but as casino says bogdan doesn't let that clanger in baptise doesn't rocket one in his own net and we have two home wins on the bounce.

 

Just the way the cookie crumbles so to speak.

 

But now is the time to keep cool,batten down the hatches and get through it.

 

If we panic and sack freedman,spending even more money it could fuck us up big style,no manager worth his salt would touch us with a barge pole.

 

All this best squad on paper nonsense is exactly that...fucking nonsense.

 

Nobody is exactly beating the door down to sign any of them are they.

 

Everybody sit tight.

 

Spot on once more

Edited October 21, 201312 yr by MalcolmW

on the subject of centre backs - fcuk knows what the craic is with wheater...i'll concede he may have got that one wrong

 

Aye, he probably did get it wrong

 

and it probably seems like im defending everything he does

 

but

 

you can at least see the logic behind it

 

back from a long term injury and presumably  looked good in training pre season

 

12 months to run on his contract, doesn't want to lose him

 

new contract on reduced wages, which he accepted

 

the only way we lose is if he actually turned out to be shit

 

which he fucking did

Aye, he probably did get it wrong

 

and it probably seems like im defending everything he does

 

but

 

you can at least see the logic behind it

 

back from a long term injury and presumably  looked good in training pre season

 

12 months to run on his contract, doesn't want to lose him

 

new contract on reduced wages, which he accepted

 

the only way we lose is if he actually turned out to be shit

 

which he fucking did

 

See this is where we differ.

 

I struggle to see the logic in almost anything he does and spend the first 10 minutes of each game trying decipher his team.

 

An example - the last game of last season against Blackpool we had to look up on the internet just who the fuck Rob Hall was,

whats your point?

 

i knew

 

i'd guess most knew, specially as i knew we'd signed somebody called hall who was black and this black lad had hall on his back

See this is where we differ.

 

I struggle to see the logic in almost anything he does and spend the first 10 minutes of each game trying decipher his team.

 

An example - the last game of last season against Blackpool we had to look up on the internet just who the fuck Rob Hall was,

 

 

really?

 

its hardly rocket science is it

 

it takes about 10 seconds after its posted on the site at 2pm.

 

and you can hardly blame Dougie if you don't know who one of our players is?

really?

 

its hardly rocket science is it

 

it takes about 10 seconds after its posted on the site at 2pm.

 

and you can hardly blame Dougie if you don't know who one of our players is?

No but it's indicative of what's happening. Giving a lad his debut in a must win game? He's making it up as he goes along. Chopping and changing. It's the old 'if you chuck enough shit at a wall some will stick' school of management. Well Dougie, it ain't sticking yet.

No but it's indicative of what's happening. Giving a lad his debut in a must win game? He's making it up as he goes along. Chopping and changing. It's the old 'if you chuck enough shit at a wall some will stick' school of management. Well Dougie, it ain't sticking yet.

Townsend made his England debut in a must win game, look how that turned out.

There seemed to be plenty of togetherness and team spirit at Blackpool and brum.

 

It does my head that if you don't want freedman to go,you're a happy clapper and think Dougie is the messiah.

 

We all know what a shit situation we are in,we all know we are languishing at the wrong end of the championship after a god awful few years.

 

We all know our home form is a major concern,but as casino says bogdan doesn't let that clanger in baptise doesn't rocket one in his own net and we have two home wins on the bounce.

 

Just the way the cookie crumbles so to speak.

 

But now is the time to keep cool,batten down the hatches and get through it.

 

If we panic and sack freedman,spending even more money it could fuck us up big style,no manager worth his salt would touch us with a barge pole.

 

All this best squad on paper nonsense is exactly that...fucking nonsense.

 

Nobody is exactly beating the door down to sign any of them are they.

 

Everybody sit tight.

 

Agree. I think if DF could get rid of two or three high earners who are not pulling their weight his re-building job would be a lot easier.

It's not going to be pretty but we have to tough this out and hope it turns soon.

You can't pick up on the atmosphere and shiftiness across the pond my friend. There is no team spirit, no confidence, no togetherness, no clue and that is all down to the manager. Well above him too for false promises

 

You really have to stop using the distance thing every time you think I'm wrong.

 

If anything, it's clearer from over here as I'm not sat at the game next to some notright shouting abuse at a player for misplacing a pass.

with the team coyle said he would've wanted if we had stayed up

 

see, you're fcuking yourself right up, here

 

if you'd concentrate on freedman, you might talk one or two around

 

keep comparing him with coyle and i'll just have you down as a crank

 

I'm not interested in talking people around, they're entitled to their opinions and i'm not sure how you illustrate whether we're making progress on the pitch without comparing last season with this. Whether you look at where we finished last season, or how we started this season, we've gone backwards.

You really have to stop using the distance thing every time you think I'm wrong.

 

If anything, it's clearer from over here as I'm not sat at the game next to some notright shouting abuse at a player for misplacing a pass.

And by christ there's a lot of those not rights.

 

Might take my big skullcandy headphones next time to block the cunts out.

We all know our home form is a major concern,but as casino says bogdan doesn't let that clanger in baptise doesn't rocket one in his own net and we have two home wins on the bounce.

 

We can't cling on to 'what ifs'. If Birmingham had been awarded a penalty we might not have won that game.