exiledwhite2 Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Did the ref stop a free shot on Groves ? Nah, Froch had more or less a 'free' shot - Groves had his guard up and was in control of himself mind you - in the final salvo I thought it was a horrendous stoppage at the time but the more I've watched it the more I can (only very slightly) understand it But despite all that I still don't get why people are blaming Froch, the premature stoppage has actually cost him too Quote
Casino Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 i think part of the issue is around the sky coverage watt is notoriously way off the mark with his view of a fight/scoring he's telling the world, including novices like me, that groves is winning by miles so, when a fella miles in front is stopped it seems a ridiculous decision IF the judges scoring the fight have it all but even, it doesn't seem such a poor decision to stop it when he did i was amazed on saturday night, mind, but froch was going to win, based on the fact he was starting to get on top and was only slightly behind on the judges cards groves was better than j i thought, too Quote
DazBob Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Ridiculous decision to stop the fight. Absolutely ridiculous. Not Froch's fault, and the chances are he'd have put him down anyway, but the ref jumped in far too soon IMO. Could the ref not have given Groves a standing 8 count? Quote
Traf Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Groves showed his big-fight inexperience by not taking a knee. Quote
Casino Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Ridiculous decision to stop the fight. Absolutely ridiculous. Not Froch's fault, and the chances are he'd have put him down anyway, but the ref jumped in far too soon IMO. Could the ref not have given Groves a standing 8 count? Groves showed his big-fight inexperience by not taking a knee. to answer spaz, no as traf points out, there is no standing 8 rule Quote
DazBob Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 to answer spaz, no as traf points out, there is no standing 8 rule What's the score with the standing count? Different governing bodies, different rules? Quote
Pablo Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) If the ref believes he stopped the free punch, he did the right thing. His 1st priority, is the safety of the fighters. Its ok watching it 10 / 20 times since. The ref has that split second decision to make, which is a decision that holds massive consequences. Edited November 25, 2013 by Pablo Quote
QFPants Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 i think part of the issue is around the sky coverage watt is notoriously way off the mark with his view of a fight/scoring he's telling the world, including novices like me, that groves is winning by miles so, when a fella miles in front is stopped it seems a ridiculous decision Best example of that I remember is Watt putting Valuev about 6 rounds up against Haye. If you're watching it with the commentary off and form your own opinion you often see a very different fight. Couldn't really understand the booing for Froch on Saturday (aside from the elbowing; very naughty that) and people criticising him for saying he deserved to win are clowns. Stoppage was coming sooner rather than later IMO; groves very hard done to but was only going to be 1 winner Quote
Carlos Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 The 3 best shots Froch had were after being told to break. Dirty. But it was only going to end one way. Quote
maaarsh Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Did the ref stop a free shot on Groves ? Nope, he grabbed him round the neck whilst Froch punched him in the back. Pretty similar to the 3 punches and 1 elbow Carl delivered on the break without punishment throughout the fight. The idea Froch was more on top then than Groves was on 5 separate occasions earlier in the fight is pathetic. There is no way on God's green earth that Foster would have stopped it if the names were reversed, and I don't think any unbiased observer would pretend otherwise. Quote
maaarsh Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) i think part of the issue is around the sky coverage watt is notoriously way off the mark with his view of a fight/scoring he's telling the world, including novices like me, that groves is winning by miles so, when a fella miles in front is stopped it seems a ridiculous decision IF the judges scoring the fight have it all but even, it doesn't seem such a poor decision to stop it when he did i was amazed on saturday night, mind, but froch was going to win, based on the fact he was starting to get on top and was only slightly behind on the judges cards groves was better than j i thought, too That argument works better if Watt wasn't inline with the average score given by media outlets, and a general consensus that the official scoring was atrocious. Press Scores Wolfgand Schiffbauer (Sturm-Promotions) : 78-73 Groves Corey Quincy (BL Boxing) : 78-73 Groves Cliff Rold (***********) : 78-73 Groves Boxing Opinions : 78-73 Groves Daniel Vano (***************) : 77-74 Groves Adam Abramowitz (SaturdayNight Boxing) : 77-74 Groves Shaun Brown (Boxing-Monthly) : 78-73 Groves Alex Morris (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves Mike Coppinger (USA Today) : 77-74 Groves Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 79-72 Groves John Wharton (Brit Box Magazine) : 78-73 Groves Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 78-73 Groves Matt Christie (Boxing News) : 78-74 Groves David Greisman (***********) : 77-74 Groves Ron Lewis (The Times) : 77-74 Groves Tim Starks (The Queensberry Rules) : 78-73 Groves Kurt Ward (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves Billy Ferguson (UKFighthype) : 79-72 Groves The Boxing Tribune : 78-73 Groves Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 77-74 Groves Paul Daley (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves Rachel Aylett (RingNews24) : 78-74 Groves Steve Bunce (Boxnation TV) : 78-73 Groves Alex Marasco (TopClassBoxing) : 79-71 Groves Jamie Borne (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves Stevie Adams (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves Jim Watt (Sky Sports TV) : 78-73 Groves Victor M Salazar (ThaBoxingVoice) : 78-73 Groves Pro Boxing Fans.com : 77-74 Groves Steve Kim (Maxboxing) : 78-73 Groves Ryan Bivins (SweetBoxing) : 78-73 Groves ForzaBoxing : 78-73 Groves Lyle Fitzsimmons (***********) : 76-75 Groves Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) : 79-72 Groves Matthew Mojica (TheFightSource) : 77-74 Groves Corey Erdman (Wealth TV) : 78-73 Groves Darren Velasco (FightDomain) : 77-74 Groves FightHype.com : 78-73 Groves Christopher Carlson (RopeaDopeRadio) : 78-73 Groves Ryan Maquinana (***********) : 77-74 Groves UKFighthype.com :78-73 Groves Kasim Aslam (UKFighthype) : 78-73 Groves FightScene SouthAfrica : 78-73 Groves Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds) : 77-74 Groves ******************** : 77-74 Groves Beau Denison (TheBoxingTruth) : 78-74 Groves Edited November 25, 2013 by maaarsh Quote
Garrp Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 The bigger disgrace was the scoring of the judges absolutely scandalous I really, really like both fighters but I wanted Froch to win for his legacy but at the point of Stoppage I had Groves 5 up, I watched the whole fight again last night and if anything id have it more than 5, not closer. It was a boxing masterclass by Groves I don't think there is anybody else in the world who could have taken the punches Froch took, never mind come back and force a stoppage absolutely incredible and for that Froch deserves so much praise and don't give me this rubbish about them being cocks they're fighters, they aren't going to be the nicest people in the street One of the best fights iv ever seen Well done Sky and Eddie Hearn Quote
gonzo Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Nope, he grabbed him round the neck whilst Froch punched him in the back. Pretty similar to the 3 punches and 1 elbow Carl delivered on the break without punishment throughout the fight. The idea Froch was more on top then than Groves was on 5 separate occasions earlier in the fight is pathetic. There is no way on God's green earth that Foster would have stopped it if the names were reversed, and I don't think any unbiased observer would pretend otherwise. The best thing I've ever seen written. Spot fucking on. Quote
Traf Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 It was stopped too early, we all agree on that. We pretty much all agree that Ggroves' chance had gone, when he failed to put Froch away. The longer it went on, the more dominant froch would have become, so in "getting it right by getting it wrong", the ref just about got away with it. Massive respect to Groves for his early onslaught and just as much, if not more to Froch for withstanding it. Quote
Casino Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 lets have another go at this if froch was 5 rounds in front, would the ref have been wrong to stop it? Quote
Garrp Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 lets have another go at this if froch was 5 rounds in front, would the ref have been wrong to stop it? Surely the score is irrelevant to the refs decision? Quote
Casino Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 indeed thats my point a lot of people seem to think he shouldn't have stopped it because groves was well in front Quote
DazBob Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Surely the score is irrelevant to the refs decision? That's my thinking. The ref should shirley only stop a fight if he thinks the health of one of the fighters is in danger. Whatever the judges have on their screcards shouldn't have any bearing whatsoever. Quote
maaarsh Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 IF the judges scoring the fight have it all but even, it doesn't seem such a poor decision to stop it when he did Surely the score is irrelevant to the refs decision? indeed thats my point Hmmmmmmm Quote
gonzo Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Was groves out of control anymore than froch when he hit the canvas in the first? Quote
Carlos Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Like Groves says, Frotch has 2 choices, rematch or hang up his gloves. Quote
maaarsh Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Just heard that the day before the fight, someone wrote on Howard Foster's facebook wall "I recon Froch will stop Groves in the 9th" and Foster liked it. Un be fuckinglievable. Just incredible. One of the best in the world? Even assuming he's not a bent cheat, he's behaved like he was reffing the town under 11s championship to think that is acceptable the day before the fight. Quote
exiledwhite2 Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Was groves out of control anymore than froch when he hit the canvas in the first? Being knocked down from a cold start in round one is treated slightly differently to accumulated punishment and its associated vulnerability by round nine, rightly so too That said it's a fair point you make, because Groves was not at the point he should have been stopped - everyone agrees on that though. And maarsh - Groves also used his head numerous times, he's not as naive as he likes to pretend Quote
exiledwhite2 Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Just heard that the day before the fight, someone wrote on Howard Foster's facebook wall "I recon Froch will stop Groves in the 9th" and Foster liked it. Un be fuckinglievable. Just incredible. One of the best in the world? Even assuming he's not a bent cheat, he's behaved like he was reffing the town under 11s championship to think that is acceptable the day before the fight. Don't be a loon. He probably likes everything that gets posted. Jesus wept, get a grip Quote
maaarsh Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Don't be a loon. He probably likes everything that gets posted. Jesus wept, get a grip Sorry, I shouldn't expect people at the centre of multi-million pound events to behave with basic professionalism. Quote
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