Managerial Replacements

[anewman]

For the record, dougie doesn't speak to players, he is surrounded by his staff, he walks around in circles with his head to the ground and mutters his words. Its his staff who get the messages across. No wonder they have no respect for him if he can't look them in the eyes and talk to them

[Carlos]

For the record, you speak as if you are a definitive source rather than a crank on the internet.

[Guest Blixa]

That's my thoughts. Reading between the lines of them tweets and what I see on the pitch is that they don't like him. But more importantly don't respect him and regardless of who I believe is right or wrong, these situations rarely get mended through seeing it out.

 

Oh I am sorry Bolty ha ha. I see your point but I think the days of taking no crap are long gone and there needs to be a balance of man management due to higher status and wages of players.

 

As for fucking the baddun's off. I am sure Dougie has tried his best but these lads aren't going anywhere till contract expiry.

 

I believe Brian Clough was 36 when he won his first league title with Derby County. The age thing and being wet behind the ears shouldn't be an issue.

 

The 'young' players have a problem because they aren't playing and they think they are good enough to turn things around. They've been fed false promises from Freedman about youth being given a fling - and it hasn't. But ultimately, they think they are better than they are. At least, from what we've seen on the pitch.

[anewman]

For the record, you speak as if you are a definitive source rather than a crank on the internet.

ITK carlos the geek on this one

[Casino]

Stay away as a protest against the management and show gartside that we have had enough you fruit cake. As it stands 16k turned up against burnley so the board think all is well with attendances like that

 

 

i don't want to protest

 

i love balmy tuesday evenings in horwich, getting beat by all n sundry

 

its good for the soul

 

 

when has anybody said 'all is well' as in we are happy with where we find ourselves

 

 

team after team has chopped and changed managers cos theyve seen no success in 6 weeks, 6 months, 6 years

 

if you back the manager to do a job, you give him time to do it

 

if ultimately he doesn't do it, then you change

 

we haven't reached 'ultimately' yet

[Casino]

So you'll judge all against OC's standards and DF will only be the wrong man if he manages that??

 

no

 

but i'll judge him over longer than 18 months thank you

 

i hope to get that chance

 

if we go down, he can fcuk off

 

if he keeps us up, i'm happy to see how it pans out

[oggybwfc]

Stay away as a protest against the management and show gartside that we have had enough you fruit cake. As it stands 16k turned up against burnley so the board think all is well with attendances like that

Not do for 1 minute do I think the board think every thing is fine and dandy, but staying away has or ever will achieve anything.

[Zico]

no

 

but i'll judge him over longer than 18 months thank you

 

i hope to get that chance

 

if we go down, he can fcuk off

 

if he keeps us up, i'm happy to see how it pans out

 

so if we go down, all the reasons why you said keep him, or why his job is a tough one will become invalid and then he can fuck off?  

 

also, that thing about leaving us 20 places lower down, I would say Todd did the same (when in sole charge), but he wasn't a bad un (don't get me wrong, OC did turn out to be a bad un in the end, could quite easily have kept this group of players up though, ifs and buts and all that, he also done far more than DF has what with his promotion with Burnley)

 

and you're pretty much judging OC on 18 months, i.e. stoke onwards, the relegation season and champioship spell - because I'm not having it you were making on he was a dud when we were spanking the like of Newcastle and Spurs and riding high or on that FA Cup run - even then I heard about his questionable training methods, but things were fine, so why question it

 

fact is, even if we don't go down, seeing how it pans out is a fine outlook, but there's absolutely nothing to suggest it will get any better, nothing, making the future under DF seem like an arduous affair, like BWFC under Megson, hence why many want a change, to see how that would pan out instead, I think it's worth the risk miself

[Casino]

and thats your right

 

np with that

 

 

 

arduous under megson?

 

not many wouldn't take 2nd bottom of the prem, now

 

prob was, everybody thought we should be top fcuking 8

 

 

 

ps coyle did a perfectly decent job until the season we went down and i didn't want him sacked but then i didn't want megson gone either

 

just don't think its helpful

 

don't tho try to kid me the football was any better than under megson

 

we had a 6 week purple patch and even then we did our best to lose against newcastle, spurs and wolves

 

anyway, its not about megson and coyle, positions are pretty entrenched on that one

 

its about whether we give this fella time - i want to, lots don't (even after reading, we still had a majority on here to keep him)

 

i suspect that has swung now, but if it can change in 4 weeks it can change back

 

 

as for relegation blowing everything else out of the water, i think it does

 

there has to be an understanding that while i think we look mid/long term, there have to be some short term targets and one of them is not being relegated

[mickbrown]

But there is nothing in his record at Palace that points to the fact he can improve.

 

This is as good as it gets. He's not under performing. This is par. If you're happy with that, fair enough.

 

I just happen to think we could do a bit better.

[jules_darby]

There is still NOTHING that Casino has said that illustrates any progress under the current regime

 

So pray tell, other than not wanting to chop and change, what exactly tells you that Douglas Freedman is the correct steward for Bolton Wanderers?

 

Because if he isn't the right man....he's the wrong man

[Casino]

i don't know if he's right or wrong

 

i don't know enough about whats going on day to day to make an informed decision

 

do you? 

[jules_darby]

i don't know if he's right or wrong

 

i don't know enough about whats going on day to day to make an informed decision

 

do you?

Day by day no

 

But it's a results business and he's judged week by week

 

So by that it's a yes; yes I do. Fire him now

 

Still no reasons why you think he's the man for us I note; yet these threads are full of countless reasons that he isn't

 

It's damning and you know it

[Zico]

and thats your right

 

np with that

 

 

 

arduous under megson?

 

not many wouldn't take 2nd bottom of the prem, now

 

prob was, everybody thought we should be top fcuking 8

 

 

 

ps coyle did a perfectly decent job until the season we went down and i didn't want him sacked but then i didn't want megson gone either

 

just don't think its helpful

 

don't tho try to kid me the football was any better than under megson

 

we had a 6 week purple patch and even then we did our best to lose against newcastle, spurs and wolves

 

anyway, its not about megson and coyle, positions are pretty entrenched on that one

 

its about whether we give this fella time - i want to, lots don't (even after reading, we still had a majority on here to keep him)

 

i suspect that has swung now, but if it can change in 4 weeks it can change back

 

 

as for relegation blowing everything else out of the water, i think it does

 

there has to be an understanding that while i think we look mid/long term, there have to be some short term targets and one of them is not being relegated

 

no probs with megson's first two seasons, but come the 3rd it was hard work, so much so jules darby fucked me off and went playing golf of a weekend, leaving me on mi todd in the esl, perhaps it was the lonliness of it all that got to me - but when he went, it was the right time (GM not JD)

 

same with coyle, it was time to go

 

and in both cases, it was for the best, as our situation got better - that's not to say everytime its going tits up we get rid and agree stabiltiy helps, but in both cases OC and GM cases we seemed to  be on the road to nowhere/downward spirals, whereas for me, even when struggling in the PL under alladyce and todd you felt they were at least going in the right direction

 

and I think that is where we're at with DF now, and I Don't feel there's anything to suggest he's taking us in the right direction

 

however, I do think he will get the time you want him to, but I very much doubt any of his supporters will ever be able to say "i told you so, told you it'd be reet", though it depends what you think reet is

 

it's not fer me

 

will still go mind

[Traf]

jules darby fucked me off and went playing golf of a weekend, leaving me on mi todd in the esl,  the loneliness of it all that got to me 

 

You've never really made it up since, have you?

[Zico]

You've never really made it up since, have you?

 

how do you get over something like that?

 

smash a plate

 

then say sorry

 

the plate's still broken

[Horwich]

Coyles took a team out of this division, dougie hasnt, the only way he will take one is down

[anewman]

Can't really blame dougie though, he was promised 5 million in the summer, 100k on wages and. Told he didn't need to sell

 

Our friend has renegaded on that promise

[newquay central]

Warnock for me as he would send a rocket up a few in that dressing room . I said weeks ago we should have gone for holloway why he was available .

 

Hierro with campo as his number 2 but never gonna happen

[Traf]

 

Hierro with campo as his number 2 but never gonna happen

 

Por Que?

[tomski]

Colin can't be arsed with another management job, Wont move from the south west and is a weirdo. I can't see why he ticks any boxes?

[ex_midlandwhite]

Colin can't be arsed with another management job, Wont move from the south west and is a weirdo. I can't see why he ticks any boxes?

Yeah he'd only come to Bolton for home games. I sense this lot would have a field day with that!

[Zico]

Can't really blame dougie though, he was promised 5 million in the summer, 100k on wages and. Told he didn't need to sell

 

Our friend has renegaded on that promise

 

he got a nice wedge though - Spearing, Baptiste's signing on fee, Beckford, off top of my head - am sure there's more that gets nearer to £5m how much of it did he spend in the end?

 

and we didn't sell/get rid anyone we didn't want to, that I recall anyway

Gartside is no renegade

[newquay central]

One of the greatest defenders in Spanish history, Fernando Hierro, has signalled his intention to coach in the A-League - and could bring legendary striker Raul Gonzalez with him.

 

Hierro has not coached at the elite level before but has completed his coaching education and is keen to cut his teeth in a new market.

 

With 89 internationals caps to his name, Hierro was revered in world football not only for his pristine defending but his unusually high scoring tally, amassing more than 100 league goals and 29 international goals

 

Maybe we could entice him back after all

[HomerJay]

One of the greatest defenders in Spanish history, Fernando Hierro, has signalled his intention to coach in the A-League - and could bring legendary striker Raul Gonzalez with him.

 

Hierro has not coached at the elite level before but has completed his coaching education and is keen to cut his teeth in a new market.

 

With 89 internationals caps to his name, Hierro was revered in world football not only for his pristine defending but his unusually high scoring tally, amassing more than 100 league goals and 29 international goals

 

Maybe we could entice him back after all

I'd give that a bash

 

Could be disastrous but you never know