How Long?

[COYW]

This season maybe but in the previous two seasons our transfer budget has been comfortably top six and that's before you even start talking about our wage bill.

[Zico]

utter, utter bullshit

 

look through the table and post that again

 

i'll then tell you you've lost it

 

for a start, six clubs still have parachute money

 

you can then add derby and forest

 

from there, i'd need to start checking but i'd put leeds, wolves, ipswich and brighton above us without too many concerns

 

couple of wildcards, including bournemouth

 

 

anyway, burnley went up with no money

 

but plenty more didn't

 

tbf

 

Derby didn't spend anything this summer, and not much last, in terms of fees

 

and wouldn't go anywhere near the wages we offered Baptiste

 

Forest tend to spend what they receive

 

this isn't the season we were meant to go up, but plenty has been invested in our squad with the intention of getting back up

[Casino]

so, just for clarity

 

you are saying that in season 12-13 and 13-14, less than 6 teams spent less than us on transfers?

 

 

blackburn - 14 million

wolves -  13 million

qpr - 10 million in one year, 36 the year before

cardiff - 9.5 million in one year

wigan - 6.2 million + bundles the season before

forest - 12 million

reading 9 million

middlesbrough - 6 million

leicester - 5 million

bolton - 5 million (2 spent by coyle)

bournemouth - 4 million

derby - 4 million

burnley - 2 million

[Casino]

sorry, zk, took me a moment or two to provide the numbers

 

i was answering this regularly posted 'fact' that we are one of the top spenders

 

we are not

 

and i know figures can be skewed by signing on fees and wages, but he said transfers

 

ffs, what do i factor in for watford not 'buying' anybody 18 months back when a dozen players signed on

[Garrp]

tbf

 

Derby didn't spend anything this summer, and not much last, in terms of fees

 

and wouldn't go anywhere near the wages we offered Baptiste

 

Forest tend to spend what they receive

 

this isn't the season we were meant to go up, but plenty has been invested in our squad with the intention of getting back up

 

Thorne costs 3 million

[Casino]

 

Forest tend to spend what they receive

 

 

 

forest have spent 12 million nett in the last 3 years

 

that includes the sale of the two lads to newcastle in the summer (6 million quids worth still playing for forest)

 

so no, they don''t

[COYW]

sorry, zk, took me a moment or two to provide the numbers

 

Try providing the right numbers then.

[Casino]

Try providing the right numbers then.

 

go on?

[COYW]

go on?

 

You've posted figures for three teams who weren't even in the same division as us for one of those two seasons. You've included money they spent whilst they were in the Premier League. 

 

You've included Boro's spend for this season as well as what they spent in the last two.

 

You've added Leicester's spend for a different two seasons than the ones we're comparing.

 

Fuck knows were you've got £4M from for Derby, or £2M for Burnley. Neither of those figures was their net spend over those two seasons.

[Carlos]

Bore off.

[Casino]

You've posted figures for three teams who weren't even in the same division as us for one of those two seasons. You've included money they spent whilst they were in the Premier League.

 

wigan, qpr and cardiff spend is in the seasons they were in the same league as us

 

You've included Boro's spend for this season as well as what they spent in the last two.

 

 

no

 

adomah, carayol, kamara and ayala

 

if i include this summer thats another 7.5 million

 

 

 

 

You've added Leicester's spend for a different two seasons than the ones we're comparing.

 

 

no, i haven't

 

 

 

Fuck knows were you've got £4M from for Derby, or £2M for Burnley. Neither of those figures was their net spend over those two seasons.

 

who mentioned nett spend?

Edited September 17, 2014 by Casino

[BOWTUN BAKED]

Good managers don't need to spend.

 

They improve what they've got. They play what they've got in their best possible positions & with players in a formation & style to compliment each other & tactics to suit. Thus creating a TEAM. They supplement this with a squad size that is affordable to their income. They supplement this with youth coming through.

 

I don't see Douglas doing any of the first bit & he's not doing great with the second bit either.

[Guest]

Good managers don't need to spend.

 

They improve what they've got. They play what they've got in their best possible positions & with players in a formation & style to compliment each other & tactics to suit. Thus creating a TEAM. They supplement this with a squad size that is affordable to their income. They supplement this with youth coming through.

 

I don't see Douglas doing any of the first bit & he's not doing great with the second bit either.

 

Good managers don't need to spend? Oh come on. Hardly any success stories in football now that aren't backed by a reasonable level of spending power.

 

Just to stay in the bottom half of the premiership requires a lot of spending nowadays. And the Championship has gone the same way with Sky money and parachute payments making it an uneven playing field. All managers need financial backing to do well at some point. Sometimes you might strike lucky with a wonder buy or a player that comes through the academy but if you want prolonged and sustained success there is now no substitute for spending cash.

[COYW]

who mentioned nett spend?

 

Me. Frequently. We've brought in next to nothing in transfer fees over those two seasons and yet Dougie has had the luxury of spending the best part of £4M. List all these other clubs whose net spend is greater than that in the Championship for those two seasons.

[COYW]

Good managers don't need to spend? Oh come on. Hardly any success stories in football now that aren't backed by a reasonable level of spending power.

 

There's re-investing to replace better players that you've sold and there's adding to what you already have. If you're given a budget to do the latter, you'd expect to improve wouldn't you?

[Casino]

its irrelevant what our nett spend is

 

you said transfer budget

 

ie money spent on players

 

he inherited poor players on big money who just could not be sold

 

no fcuker can/wants to afford them

[Zico]

 

forest have spent 12 million nett in the last 3 years

 

that includes the sale of the two lads to newcastle in the summer (6 million quids worth still playing for forest)

 

so no, they don''t

 

where are these figures from?

 

problem with wiki is they are all "undisclosed"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Nottingham_Forest_F.C._season#Transfers_in

that's about even
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Nottingham_Forest_F.C._season#Transfers_in

as is that - as don't know what was spent or not
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Nottingham_Forest_F.C._season#Transfers_in

that shows £6m or so down, but "we know" that Newcastle paid out for the two lads

 

so can't see where they spent £12M, not saying they didn't, but cannot see it

 

our page also has Spearing, Beckford and Hall as undisclosed - some, including ITKer Nixon say £1M for JB, others say next to nowt (you)

 

Garp says £3M for Thorne, everywhere else says undisclosed, which is what it says about Beckford - so who knows what they are paying and when?

 

fact is - we competed the last 2 seasons and invested in the team with a view to getting back up, it's cost us and now we're skint - but that team still has had plenty invested in it, either in fees or wages

[Casino]

There's re-investing to replace better players that you've sold and there's adding to what you already have. If you're given a budget to do the latter, you'd expect to improve wouldn't you?

 

 

you'd expect to have a worse team if you're paying 10 million a year in wages than when you're spending 70, too

 

yes?

[Guest]

Me. Frequently. We've brought in next to nothing in transfer fees over those two seasons and yet Dougie has had the luxury of spending the best part of £4M. List all these other clubs whose net spend is greater than that in the Championship for those two seasons.

 

I'm no huge Freedman fan but he hasn't spent anything like that amount. Forget headline figures, we've been structuring deals in different ways, payments based on success rather than up front deals. Beckford barely cost a penny in transfer fees and won't unless we get promoted, for example. Only in certain situations can you do this which is partly why we're very limited in choices.

[COYW]

I'm no huge Freedman fan but he hasn't spent anything like that amount.

 

You've read the quote from Gartside, right?

[Casino]

 

 

 

where are these figures from?

 

problem with wiki is they are all "undisclosed"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Nottingham_Forest_F.C._season#Transfers_in

that's about even

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Nottingham_Forest_F.C._season#Transfers_in

as is that - as don't know what was spent or not

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Nottingham_Forest_F.C._season#Transfers_in

that shows £6m or so down, but "we know" that Newcastle paid out for the two lads

 

so can't see where they spent £12M, not saying they didn't, but cannot see it

 

our page also has Spearing, Beckford and Hall as undisclosed - some, including ITKer Nixon say £1M for JB, others say next to nowt (you)

 

Garp says £3M for Thorne, everywhere else says undisclosed, which is what it says about Beckford - so who knows what they are paying and when?

 

fact is - we competed the last 2 seasons and invested in the team with a view to getting back up, it's cost us and now we're skint - but that team still has had plenty invested in it, either in fees or wages

 

 

 

the figures are from some site probably knocked together by a 6 year old

 

but if it is, he's put plenty effort in and i cant find a better source

[Casino]

You've read the quote from Gartside, right?

 

 

'investing 4 million' while letting premiership quality leave

 

~snigger

[Zico]

the figures are from some site probably knocked together by a 6 year old

 

but if it is, he's put plenty effort in and i cant find a better source

 

link?

 

just for clarity like

 

otherwise folk will think you're "making stuff up" 

[Casino]

zico

 

forest from the site i mentioned

 

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/football-transfers/nottingham-forest-transfers.html

 

i used to use transfermarkt but i think that went subscription only

 

 

 

The Transfer League lists all players transfers and transfer fees for english premier league and current Championship football clubs. The transfers are updated regularly during the January and summer transfer window. We also bring you the very latest transfer news in the transfer windows. As well as listing all transfers and transfer fees we compare clubs transfer spending with their progress in the premiership and against other clubs .

The site also compares managers transfer spending in relation to the clubs final league position for each premier league and Championship season. The figures are as accurate as possible. In some instances a fee as undisclosed while we look for a reliable source for the fee. If you find a missing or incorrectly recorder transfer please use the submit error form to inform me and I will rectify mistakes and omissions. Please include a link so I can verify your information

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[BOWTUN BAKED]

Good managers don't need to spend? Oh come on. Hardly any success stories in football now that aren't backed by a reasonable level of spending power.

 

Just to stay in the bottom half of the premiership requires a lot of spending nowadays. And the Championship has gone the same way with Sky money and parachute payments making it an uneven playing field. All managers need financial backing to do well at some point. Sometimes you might strike lucky with a wonder buy or a player that comes through the academy but if you want prolonged and sustained success there is now no substitute for spending cash.

You're confusing the Prem with where we are now.

 

Burnley last year.

Southampton in previous years.

Bournemouth's recent history.

 

I could go on, but as you're not getting my point, I can't be arsed.

 

Money does not make a good Manager.

 

Though money can keep a poor/average manager in a job a bit longer, I suppose.