Casino Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Eddie, thanks for taking the time and trouble. My point is still this: whether these debts are in effect notional or not, they've still been run up on the watch of ED and PG. As you allude to, we somehow allowed ourselves to amass a £50m debt in one season by not making contingencies for the possibility of relegation. That surely constitutes bad financial management? And I maintain that despite all the star players we've enjoyed, we got them on the cheap relatively speaking - not one did we pay a fee for (apart from Anelka who we doubled our money on...and who we should have trebled our money on if PG wasn't such a poor negotiator...£15m for a world class striker in his prime to the then richest club on the planet was a steal). Yes we paid some big wages, but not significantly more than most other clubs. And for every Okocha there was a Pedersen or a Charlton. It was Allardyce's genius in the transfer market we can thank for those days, not Eddie's generosity. All that said, even if you think we should stick with this double act, isn't it time they came out and spelt out their vision for where the club is going? What's the long term plan? Is it to invest in other non-football related activities, like free schools? right spit it out do you think a eddie davies has been good for bolton? and b do you want him to fcuk off back to the isle of man and leave us (cos its our club) to sort it out Quote
Casino Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Is there not a £6m or £8m cap on these "gifts"? there is i fear he may need to do that this year, tight fisted bastard that he is Quote
DazBob Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Can we not just make him give us £8m? Quote
davidjack Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) To a) I'd say he's been better than Warbies were, or the various lunatics at Leeds United have been. But not as good as some on here paint him. He's no Steve Gibson or Jack Walker. How much of our success is tied to him and how much to Allardyce is arguable. To b. we need to do something differently, starting with the manager, or we're heading back to the days we all thought we'd left behind. As I said, I would like to see a greater role for fans, whatever the ownership structure is. I wouldn't want us to become the plaything of some oligarch or sheikh. I get that it's complicated and none of us have all the answers...we should at least be asking the questions though. Edited September 23, 2014 by davidjack Quote
DazBob Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 This 'greater role for fans' you envisage. I'm intrigued, tell us more.. Quote
Gonk Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 The fans have a role. Half of them are piss poor at it at present, when the club needs it most Quote
Casino Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) To a) I'd say he's been better than Warbies were, or the various lunatics at Leeds United have been. But not as good as some on here paint him. He's no Steve Gibson or Jack Walker. How much of our success is tied to him and how much to Allardyce is arguable. To b. we need to do something differently, starting with the manager, or we're heading back to the days we all thought we'd left behind. As I said, I would like to see a greater role for fans, whatever the ownership structure is. I wouldn't want us to become the plaything of some oligarch or sheikh. I get that it's complicated and none of us have all the answers...we should at least be asking the questions though. allardyces (transfer) nett spend is greater than any other manager in our history not that im arsed cos it brought results but i do wonder where you think the money came fropm oh aye and we can ask the questions its his right to decide if he answers them Edited September 23, 2014 by Casino Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 This 'greater role for fans' you envisage. I'm intrigued, tell us more.. I thought We'd set up something like that? The upshot being their great idea of switching the TV's off after half-time, or so I was told! Quote
davidjack Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Something like this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22625160 Quote
tyldesley_white Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Something like this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22625160 thats what the new rules are trying to address, and the seasion ticket thing is just bullshit, now many at that price 1, 10 or 20000 without that information the point is mute, whats Boltons cheapest season ticket I bet its not far off Bayern Munich but then again thats for a kid Quote
DazBob Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 thats what the new rules are trying to address, and the seasion ticket thing is just bullshit, now many at that price 1, 10 or 20000 without that information the point is mute, whats Boltons cheapest season ticket I bet its not far off Bayern Munich but then again thats for a kid Everyone knows that in Germany a season ticket is EUR 10.00 and that includes a free stein and rollover bratwurst at every game. Quote
tomski Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 How many managers have we hounded out? I can think of only Megson. We're hardly serial hounder outerers. I think him leading us to 19th in league helped his position become unattainable. Quote
whiteboy Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 allardyces (transfer) nett spend is greater than any other manager in our history how about if you include the fee we got for anelka Quote
Marc505 Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Another classic name from the Facebook comments... Dougie Fuckman! Quote
EyesRight Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Another classic name from the Facebook comments... Dougie Fuckman! Nothing beats Druggie Greedman for me, genius! Quote
tomski Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I was sent a link to someone today who referred to Megson as Megatron! beat that! Quote
Casino Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 how about if you include the fee we got for anelka how about if we stick to nett spend - otherwise i'll not give him the credit for eidur and jensen its often said allardyce wasn't backed its utter bollocks he was backed more than any manager in our history and rightly so Quote
gonzo Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 How many managers have we hounded out? I can think of only Megson. We're hardly serial hounder outerers. ....and it took till his 3rd season in charge to get rid of him! Our hounders are shit. They should do hounding out courses at Bolton Uni. Quote
Con Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 ....and it took till his 3rd season in charge to get rid of him! Our hounders are shit. They should do hounding out courses at Bolton Uni. With the first lesson being how to spell the words you are painting on your bedsheet correctly. Quote
Big E Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 A greater role for the fans????? that is a scarey thought It is seen as an embarrassment to set up any kind of support (similar to palace) let alone get them involved in anything else. why not try and concentrate on backing the team and getting the "shit american stuff" going. it would generate atmosphere and more of a feel good factor. whats going on at the moment is shit and i have no idea how it could change but as a group we seem to prefer to moan than support. Quote
Big E Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Something like this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22625160 FFS tickets in Germany are similar to them in the UK bar about 10% of tickets (if that) which are cheap Quote
gonzo Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 A greater role for the fans????? that is a scarey thought It is seen as an embarrassment to set up any kind of support (similar to palace) let alone get them involved in anything else. why not try and concentrate on backing the team and getting the "shit american stuff" going. it would generate atmosphere and more of a feel good factor. whats going on at the moment is shit and i have no idea how it could change but as a group we seem to prefer to moan than support. The atmosphere was bouncing under the stand on Saturday,folk leaping about all over the shop singing ad spraying beer about. Went upstairs for second half and you could hear a pin drop. Quote
Big E Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 The atmosphere was bouncing under the stand on Saturday,folk leaping about all over the shop singing ad spraying beer about. Went upstairs for second half and you could hear a pin drop. thats the problem. we need to get you idiots up in the stands Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 thats the problem. we need to get you idiots up in the stands Where the Stewards can tell you to sit down & don't over celebrate a goal! Quote
Big E Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Where the Stewards can tell you to sit down & don't over celebrate a goal! Judging by some of the top boys who can show em a thing or two i reckon the orange warriors would soon be running scared Quote
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